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    Rome is mainly a symbol in Revelations, as it was seen by Jews and Christians at the time as a manifestation of Babylong in their day. The new government and world leaders during the tribulation will be able to trace their spiritual/politcal roots back to Rome and Babylon, but not necessarily geographical location. The headquarters for the antichrist’s rule, with the location of the UN, is most likely at this point to be New York.

    If the AntiChrist rises in our times, he will take over the existing United Nations and turn it into a potent and dangerous Beast, as the bible says. As weak as the UN is, it can only be the precursor to the Beast the bible speaks of.

    The AntiChrist’s official religion will be that he is God and if you don’t worship him, he will kill you. He will start his own religion, in which he claims to be Allah (or Mohammad), Krishna, Buddah, (the main deity in every other major religion,) and, the Jewish Messiah, for their sake, he will have to be able to not only prove he’s a jew but also a son of David or orthodox jews won’t buy it. He will likely be denying the first coming out of one side of his mouth and claiming to be Jesus Christ the next.

    The Devil knows about the True Living God, he just wants to overthrow His Kingdom and sit on God’s throne. The AntiChrist, as the devil’s son, will most likely have the same awareness. Neither will realize until their swift defeat at armaggeddon how futile their dreams were.

    In terms of religion, his claim to be the fullest revelation of all the world religions most key figures actually most identifies him with Hinduism, which currently claims that folks like Jesus and Muhammaed and all other major historical religious figures were all manifestations (ie, reincarnations) of Krishna.

    In terms of world senarios, muslims conquering the united states and then being smashed in turn by an antichrist taking advantage of a Hindu teaching that the New Age movement (which is essentially hinduism for americans) has embraced, is more likely than a muslim antichrist. Strict Muslims will actually reject the antichrist because of his claim to be God, which is not possible in Islam. Allah never was and never will be a man according to muslim teaching. The antichrist would have an easier time convincing muslim’s he’s Muhammed, but again, Islam also does not teach reincarnation, so even that one would be a tough sell.

    Ironically, the muslims most likely to be taking a stand against the antichrist are the very terrorists busy trying to destroy Christians now. They will be surprised when they find themselves standing next to Christians waiting for execution. Maybe some of them will repent.

    #108974

    I don’t call answering the pleas of an oppressed people to free them from an evil dictator aggression. In addition, as Sadam did not keep the terms of treaties that ended the last war in Iraq, the new fighting is just the Gulf war breaking out again because Sadam didn’t do what he promised to do.

    Furthermore, the Iraqis wanted us to march in to Bagdad and take out Sadam in the first war, and we promised them we would, and then backed out b/c of the UN. The result was Sadam went out and killed millions of his own people.

    As far as I’m concerned, this war isn’t about oil or aggression, its about keeping broken promises.

    The proof is on the Tv as the pictures flood in of rejoicing Iraqis tearing down Sadam statues, posters, and throwing shoes at him.

    Should we have started all of this in the first place? I don’t know, but now that we have (twice now), we had better finish it this time or the Iraqis will pay the price.

    BTW, the government’s job isn’t to baby sit us, providing for our “health, welfare, and education”, as the first two were traditionally handled by churches and charities, and the latter was a power reserved for the states. The federal goverment is supposed to be to protect national interest, guard american fredoms, preserve law and order, (ie, keep us from killing each other) Unfortunately, from the very beginning, the government has assumed its people are stupid, and hense is taking on more and more powers and responsiblities, all of which comes with a price.

    #107836

    to the question, “is this the end?” Jesus answered that one himself:

    And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, BUT THE END IS NOT YET.

    –Mathew 24:6

    However, Jesus did say that we should occupy until he comes. Your desire to be a witness for the Lord is to be commended, and is important, war or no war. Is Jesus coming soon? Yes. He said he was in Revelations. Note, however, that Revelations was witten in the first century AD. That said, we ought to be prepared to be here for the long haul, as well as being prepared for him to come ‘any minute now’ (at any moment, unil the rise of the antichrist we can be sure there is at least 3-7 years left before Christ’s return, pretrib rapture theories aside). Considering end times theories are not vital to the faith, we should also be open to the fact that we could be be wrong.

    #89399

    the big doctrinal debate over the baptism of the holy spirit revolves over whether it is always given at the moment we come to christ (some in this camp will say at water baptism) or not, and whether it is still evidenced by spiritual gifts like speaking in tounges (some say tounges and even giftrs in general were only given to the apostolic church and have already passed away, others say the verse that says tounges will cease meant they will cease in heaven).

    In my experience, and from reading scripture, it varies. Some experience it at conversion or baptism, some of these immediately break out into tongues, in others the gifts don’t manifest until the christian begins to mature spiritually. still others are prayed for later and recieve the baptism, others spend months and years seeking. considering the vast number of pentecostals in the last group, it seems to me *some* of them are trying too hard….

    as for me, I apparently recieved the baptism at conversion/baptism, although I had never even heard of it at the time, which just goes to point out its not something one necessarily has to do anything to get.

    regardless, what is really essential in the christian life is loving god. everything else grows out of that.

    #469

    in addittion, it is the iraqis who have been asking us to bring troops in and take out Saddam Hussain for years.

    #475

    grizz: your original post leaves readers with the impression that the war in iraq is over oil, which it is most definitely not. The war is about freeing a people from an oppressive dictator and is not motivated by greed or selfishness, though most americans ARE greedy and selfish. In general, I do agree with your evaluation that americans have done a lot of evil things.

    So did Babylon. May I remind you it was Babylon that God used to punish Isreal. We’ve done some rotten things of our own doing, but that does not mean God can’t or wouldn’t use us to punish or end an evil regime else where. The US would be wise to remember Babylon’s fate, however. He did not leave Babylon unpunished. Hence, we can support the war and God can be using America as His instrument even with wrath being stored up for the US for its own crimes. Note, I don’t remember any US President slaughtering millions of its own people… oh wait, abortion. Almost forgot

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