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Jason Tucker
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Hello, I didnt take the time to read all the posts, just wanted to chime in on my take of the trinity.

I believe in one God whom manifests Himself in different ways or you could say holds different offices. He inhabits all 3 of the stated offices at one time and operates as all 3 at all times.

I am a Father I am a son and I have a spirit, but I am only 1 person Not 3, God made us in his image.

The man Jesus was a body whom God inhabited and was at the same time still omnipresent. When Christ ascended and sent his Holy Spirit back it wasnt another person of a godhead it was the spirit that had inhabited the flesh of Jesus or God in the manifestation of the Holy Spirit.

I believe that the trinity is a false doctrine created by the catholic church and accepted by most denominations to this day. In Many places the Word speaks of their being 1 God and none beside Him, Where does it speak of God and his 3 persons or the trinity. This goes along with how many churches baptize, in the father son and holy spirit etc. that is completely anti-scriptural and it comes from that same trinitarian concept of 3 persons in 1 God.

here are some references to my point:

BRITANNICA ENCYCLOPEDIA 11TH edition, Vol 3, Pg 365-366

The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, & Holy Ghost by the Catholic Church in the second century.

BRITANNICA ENCYCLOPEDIA Vol 3, Pg 82

Everywhere in the oldest sources it states that baptism took place in the name of Jesus Christ.

CANNEY ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION Pg 53

The early church always baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until development of Trinity doctrine in the 2nd century.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Vol 2, Pg 263

Here the Catholics acknowledged that baptism was changed by the Catholic Church.

HASTINGS ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION Vol 2, Pg 377

Christian baptism was administered using the words “In the name of Jesus”.

Vol 2, Pg 378

The use of a Trinitarian formula of any sort was not suggested in early Church history.

Vol 2, Pg 389

Baptism was always in the name of Lord Jesus until the time of Justin Martyr when Triune formula was used.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Vol 8

Justin Martyr was one of the early Fathers of the Roman Catholic Church.

HASTINGS ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION Vol 2, Pg 377 on ACTS 2:38

NAME was an ancient synonym for “person”. Payment was always made in the name of some person referring ownership. Therefore one being baptized in Jesus Name became his personal property. “Ye are Christ’s.”

NEW INTERNATIONAL ENCYCLOPEDIA Vol 22, Pg 477

The term “Trinity” was originated by Tertullian, a Roman Catholic Church Father.

ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION AND ETHICS (1951), II, 384, 389

The formula used was ‘in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ’ or some synonymous phrase; there is no evidence for the use of the trine name… The earliest form, represented in the Acts, was simple immersion….in water, the use of the name of the Lord, and the laying on of hands. To these were added at various times and places which cannot be safely identified, (a) the trine name (Justin)….

INTERPRETERS DICTIONARY OF THE BIBLE (1962) I, 351

The evidence … suggests that baptism in early Christianity was administered, not in the threefold name, nut ‘in the name of the Lord Jesus’.

A HISTORY OF CHRISTIAN THOUGHT (Otto Heick) (1965), I, 53

At first baptism was administered in the name of Jesus, but gradually in the name of the Triune God: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

HASTINGS DICTIONARY OF THE BIBLE (1898), I, 241

[One explanation is that] the original form of words was ‘into the name of Jesus Christ’. Baptism into the name of the Trinity was a later development.

HISTORY OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH Williston Walker, (1947), Pg 58

The Trinitarian baptismal formula … was displacing the older baptism in the name of Christ.

THE NEW SCHAFF-HERZOG ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGIOUS KNOWLEDGE

(1957), I, 435

The New Testament knows only baptism in the name of Jesus …, which still occurs even in the second and third centuries.

CANNEY’S ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGIONS (1970), Pg 53

Persons were baptized at first ‘in the name of Jesus Christ’ … or ‘in the name of the Lord Jesus.’… Afterwards, with the development of the doctrine of the Trinity, they were baptized ‘in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.

ENCYCLOPEDIA BIBLICA (1899), I, 473

It is natural to conclude that baptism was administered in the earliest times ‘in the name of Jesus Christ,’ or in that ‘of the Lord Jesus.’ This view is confirmed by the fact that the earliest forms of the baptismal confession appear to have been single – not triple, as was the later creed.

ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA 11TH edition, (1910), Vol 2, Pg 365

The Trinitarian formula and trine immersion were not uniformly used from the beginning… Bapti[sm] into the name of the Lord [was] the normal formula of the new Testament. In the 3rd century baptism in the name of Christ was still so wide spread that Pope Stephen, in opposition to Cyprian of Carthage, declared it to be valid.

These references can be found on

BRITANNICA ENCYCLOPEDIA

11TH edition, Vol 3, Pg 365-366

The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, & Holy Ghost by the Catholic Church in the second century.

references can found at : angelfire.com

1 God, 3 manifestation / offices, this is what I believe

When one looks at Mathew 28:18-20 and reads that one is to be baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit we must read what it really says, it is saying NAME singular, what is the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit… it is Jesus.

In every other instance where baptism is being taught or instructed it is said to baptize in the Name of Jesus Christ.

In fact at least 4 places in Acts and 1 in Romans teaches us to baptize in the name of Jesus Christ, which is the Name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit.

If the Trinitarian belief were correct then the Bible would be a contradiction and we know that is not a possibility.

Sorry for the long post I dont get on here much so when I do I try to make it worth it.

God Bless,

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