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Antichrist can mean as you said someone who is against or in the place of Christ. If we look back in history we can see many bishops that can easily be described as Antichrists in both means.

Dont forget my beloved friend that life has changed and we now have all those media bringing the news right into our living room. Please be sure that every time a Pope died and a new one elected, St. Peter’s square was full of people. Its kind of tradition especially among Italians so this is nothing new. Also, thanks to the EU agreements people can travel freely so there is no reason to wonder why so many people gathered there.

Personaly i havent been to Vatican during those days but one thing i know for sure: Its a celebration and not an adoration of the Pope. If he turns out to be an antichrist – i seriously doubt it though – then we can discuss this matter again. At the moment what we need is to cover him with our prayers.

As for Hall Lindsey, I do not have a good opinion about him because he proved himself a false prophet many years ago. Maybe you disagree but we all have our own opinions and every opnion is respected.

Lets see some facts here:

The Prophecy of the Popes according to Saint Malachy is a list of 112 short Latin phrases purported to describe each of the Roman Catholic popes (along with a few antipopes), beginning with Pope Celestine II (elected in 1143) and concluding with a future pope described in the prophecy as “Peter the Roman”, whose pontificate will end in the destruction of the city of Rome and the Last Judgment.

The prophecy was first published in 1595 by Arnold de Wyon, a Benedictine historian, as part of his book Lignum Vitæ. Wyon attributed the list to Saint Malachy, a 12-century bishop of Armagh in Ireland. According to the traditional account, in 1139, Malachy was summoned to Rome by Pope Innocent II. While there, he purportedly experienced a vision of future popes, which he recorded as a sequence of cryptic Latin phrases. This manuscript was then deposited in the Roman Archive, and thereafter forgotten about until rediscovered in 1590.

On the other hand, Bernard of Clairvaux’s biography of Malachy makes no mention of the prophecy, nor is it mentioned in any record prior to its 1595 publication. This has led to the theory that they are a late 16th century forgery.

Those who doubt the prophecy’s authenticity claim that the prophecy’s mottos fit the earlier popes much better than they do those popes elected after the document’s first publication, and that whatever similarities exist between the later popes and their mottos are a product of coincidence and the mottos’ vagueness; that is to say, the later prophecies are susceptible to a confirmation bias.

For example, the motto De labore Solis, associated with John Paul II, can be an example of statistically likely postdiction, as an eclipse occurs twice or more times in a single year. Since there is no rule stating which event should coincide with the eclipse the odds of a “hit” are high. Using the date of funeral and not his date of death (which lacked any notable solar activity) is suspect and evidence of postdiction, as the date would otherwise be considered insignificant in the prophecy if it did not already fit the assumed interpretation. Ultimately, the rarity or high frequency of whatever type of eclipse is irrelevant, since the date chosen would have no significance if it did not already fit the assumed interpretation.

Another example of postdiction can be seen in the history of this very article. When Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger chose the name Benedict XVI, this was seen as fulfilling the prophecy for this pope (Gloria Olivae). However, in previous versions of the article, it was said that any pope named Benedict (since Benedictines are known as Olivetans), or any pope from the benedictine order, or any Latin American pope (with olive complexion), or any black pope (coinciding with St. Benedict the Black), or any pope with links to Judaism (such as Cardinal Lustiger) would also fulfill the prophecy, thus giving a very broad array of possibilities.

Consider also that the prophecy has been open to everyone since 1590. As such, it is easy to make a purposeful effort to fulfill that prophecy by electing someone who matches the prophecy well, or to cause an event that helps the pope match the prophecy.

Interpretation of the mottos has generally relied on finding correspondences between the mottos and the popes’ birthplaces, their personal arms, and the events of their pontificates. For example, the first motto, Ex castro Tiberis (From a castle on the Tiber), fits Pope Celestine II’s birthplace in Citta di Castello, on the Tiber. Pope Clement XIII, whose used a rose as his personal emblem, is called in the prophecy Rosa Umbriae, the rose of Umbria.

In recent times, some interpreters of prophetic literature have drawn attention to the prophecies, both because of their success in finding correspondences between the prophecies and recent popes, and because of the prophecies’ imminent conclusion. Interpretations made before the elections of recent Popes have turned out not to accurately predict their papacies. (John Paul II was assumed to be predicted to be named Gregory by the People’s Almanac in 1975.)

Pope Paul VI (Flos florum)

Pope Paul VI, who reigned from 1963 – 1978, is described in the prophecies as Flos florum (flower of flowers). His personal arms bore three fleurs-de-lis. However, this disregards all the other papal arms that had flowers on them as well.

Pope John Paul I (De medietate Lunae)

His successor, Pope John Paul I, corresponds to the prophetic motto De medietate Lunae (Of the half-moon). It could also be interpreted as de media aetate lunae, meaning of the average age of the moon. He was elected on August 26, 1978, the day after the moon reached its last quarter, and reigned for 33 days, approximately five days longer than a lunar cycle. He died the day before the new moon. However, a much simpler explanation might be that he was born on the day of the half moon: on October 17, 1912, the moon was in its first quarter. Other point to the translation of his native diocese, Belluno, as “beautiful moon,” or his name before becoming pope, Albino Luciano, or “white light.”

Pope John Paul II (De labore Solis)

The prophetic motto corresponding to the last reigning pontiff Pope John Paul II is De labore Solis, which literally means “Of the labor of the sun”, but “labores solis” also means solar eclipse. Pope John Paul II was born on May 18, 1920, the day of a partial solar eclipse over the Indian Ocean, and buried on April 8, 2005, the day of a rare “hybrid” eclipse over the southwestern Pacific and South America. It has also been suggested that the associated Latin phrase could also be a cryptic term for de borealis sol, of the northern sun, being a luminary coming from Poland to the north. It has also so happened that an abnormally high number of sunspots have been recorded throughout all the many years of his pontificate. Another interpretation points simply to the sun rising in the east and his being the first Pope from Eastern Europe.

Pope Benedict XVI (Gloria Olivae)

The next motto is Gloria Olivae, the glory of the olive. Prior to the papal conclave, this motto led to speculation that the next pontiff would be from the Order of Saint Benedict, whose symbols include the olive branch. Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, selected in April 2005, is not a Benedictine, but did pick Benedict XVI as his papal name, which might be regarded as a fulfillment of this prophecy.

Alternatively, less specific interpreters have predicted that the next pope will promote world peace (as in an olive branch). Pope Benedict XVI has chosen “Pax” (peace) as his papal motto. The self-proclaimed Pope Clemente Domínguez y Gómez of the Palmarian Catholic Church claimed that he was the glory of the olive.

There had already been, before the election of pope, a concomitance in two unrelated events occurring on the opening date of the 2005 Conclaves. First, a Turkish presidential candidate won overnight the northern Cyprus elections favouring re-unification peace talks of the two sectors; the Cyprus flag has two inter-locking olive branches in it. Secondly, the Italian Prime Minister has seriously been considering resigning and holding early general elections succumbing to pressure from the leftist opposition called l’Ulivo.

Petrus Romanus

The longest and final motto reads, “In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oues in multis tribulationibus: quibus transactis ciuitas septicollis diruetur, & Iudex tremêdus iudicabit populum suum. Finis.” (During the final persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep in many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed, and the terrible Judge will judge his people.

There are several interpretations regarding the last Popes listed by St. Malachy taken by those who believe the prophecies:

Regarding whether additional Popes, not listed by St. Malachy occur between Gloria Olivae and Petrus Romanus the following differing views are held: Gloria Olivae is immediately followed by Petrus Romanus. There is a gap of unknown length between these two Popes, about which Malachy did not write. Regarding whether the Papacy ends with Petrus Romanus, the following differing views are held:

Petrus Romanus will be the final Pope. The end of his papacy will mark either the end of the papacy, the end of the Church, or the end of the world.

There will be additional Popes following Petrus Romanus, about which Malachy did not write. There is also possibility that these additional popes might be considered antipopes, which could justify their omission in St. Malachy’s eyes.

In any case, i strongly believe we dont have a prophecy here but a forgery. Time will show.

Pax Christi

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