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David Miller

If you do not believe in God, how do you sum up all that we call creation and the way that it came to form so perfectly?

I try to give nature the benefit of the doubt.

Are you willing to bet your life on it, and did you ever wonder what happens if you are wrong?

This is Pascal’s Wager; it’s a deficient question for several reasons. But what do you think would happen if you’re the wrong one, and you’re worshipping the wrong God? Whether in belief, or disbelief, the chances of you going to hell, or being denied entry into heaven, or whatever punishment we can receive in the afterlife are just as high as an atheists’ – especially considering the amounts of Gods wandering the supernatural world.

And…science has been able to name the smallest particle and figure out how all of matter works together, but they have never been able to figure out where that smallest particle which makes up all of the others came from in the first place? Does this mean anythign to you?

Science has not discovered the smallest particle, nor do physicists know how all of matter works. Your second claim contradicts your first claim.

Do you believe in spiritual science at all? Like that our hearts are really run by something other than our brains making us separate beings with intelligence and ability to feel all different emotions, and where do you suppose that the precepts for morals and emotions came from in the first place? and how would this fit in with the first question about how we and the rest of everything came to be?

“Spiritual Science” is an oxymoron. Science is the study of natural phenomenon. The spirit is not a natural phenomenon. Therefore, there is no such thing as a science of the spirit, or a spiritual science, or any other variation you’d like to attach.

Our brains do make our hearts beat, but if you’re referring to “the heart” as some kind of metaphor for emotion, then that has natural explanations as well. I am covering ethics in another thread very slowly, you should read it. For a brief snippet, Aristotle argued that morals come from developed habits, our interactions and relationships with other human beings, and through our subsuming of our role-models’ integrity. John Dewey argued that our conscience allows us to be moral creatures.

Ethics are social conventions as far as I’m concerned. This is why we have very similar, but equally different moral codes around the world (human beings vary very little even though cultures might be on opposite sides of the road). If God had created one objective ethical standard, then we would all have the same ethical values. But we don’t. Where in some countries it might be seen as immoral to do certain activities, in others, there is no ethical ground for judgment. An example would be the difference between Japanese and American cultures.

Human beings are as much of a chance product as your birth was. “God” as an answer does not tell us much. But such an answer to life’s puzzling dilemmas relays a concession to life under a veil of humility that covers arrogance, “judgmentalism”, and egocentrism.

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