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“This is quite true in many Protestant groups and the sects and cults that derrive from it. It seems that if not Baptists, but some other sects actualy do believe in th two gods theory. In fact, some consider as the Gnostics did that Satan had been the evil god that decieved certain people of God, or certain ‘contradictory’ actions in the Old Covenant look as if God had changed his mind.”

I think this problem arises because these groups see no continuity between what God does in the Old and New Testaments. In Catholic theology, everything in the Old Covenant is replaced with a New Covenant counterpart:

Animal sacrifices…. the re-presentation of Christ’s sacrifice at the Mass

Circumcision as sign of covenant… baptism as sign of covenant

Day of Atonement and corporate confession… auricular confession

bar-mitzvah… chrismation or confirmation

marriage under the law… sacramental marriage

priesthood of Old Covenant… priesthood of New Covenant

Israel as people of God… Church as people of God

Oral Traditions of Torah… Apostolic Tradition of Gospel

Holy of holies… tabernacles of the Church

Many more examples could be found, but the point is made.

“If I remember correctly the Gnostics were the first heretics to try to conclude the two god theory. Whether this came from the mythology of Greece or from Egyptian, Indian, or Babylonian legends is hard to say. All of them have multiple gods and many often consider the good and the evil to have been either cooperative or contrary forces that played a role in the creation of the universe.”

This is all very true. The other problem encountered here is a contempt for material things. The Church believes that Jesus, through his incarnation, sanctified matter. Therefore, sacraments and grace are poured out on people through secondary causes and material objects.

“I don’t think the basic idea that good and evil have shaped the way in which the world has come to be at present, yet I do not think Christianity can truly see evil as a first cause for the universe. We understand that evil revealed the knowledge of good and evil in Genesis, but evil was not the creator of the tree, nor its fruit. But where exactly does evil come to be?”

Saint Augustine struggled with the exact same problem. He famously said “I sought from whence evil came, and I could not find the solution”. Eventually he came close to figuring it out. Since everything God has created is good, evil cannot be a created thing. Infact, it cannot be a thing at all. Evil is a form of non-existence or nothingness. Therefore, Saint Augustine concluded that evil is the decaying of God’s creating, destruction and disorder if you will. Something which is evil passes out of existence. Evil is simply emptying something of its goodness. Murder destroys life, fornication empties sexual relations of their holiness, false witness destroys the truth. An evil person is devoid of God’s grace. This is a very fascinating topic though, perhaps something for a whole new conversation.

“We know that Satan rebelled against God, but other than this, there seems to be no clear understanding about how this happened nor why. Was Satan jealous of Man for being made in the image of God; did he not like that humanity may be given the authority to judge not only animals but also the divine? It’s hard to say. But it is cetain that Satan has been an adversary to both God and humanity ever since; decieving Man and being granted permission to tempt humanity, but never beyond our own strength.”

Satan’s rebellion will always remain a mystery, but the Church has solved the problem of man’s fall with the saying “O happy fault which won for us such a Blessed Redeemer!”

Through man’s fall, God is active in bringing about a new and better creation. This is the eighth day of creation, if you will. The new creation in Jesus will be more splendid than the ignorant bliss of Eden. Man will be superior to even the angels.

In Christ,


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