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Greg Platt
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I’m looking mostly at John 10:1-18

In this passage, Jesus tells us several things. One that those who came before where not the true shepherd, but only thieves. He also speaks of other sheep, and bringing them in, so their will be one flock and one shepherd. I suppose this could point to a singular flock of believers. I tend to believe he is speaking of uniting all the world as one.

Also in this passage we see (John 10:11-15)

““I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. The hired hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it. The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.

“I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me– just as the Father knows me and I know the Father–and I lay down my life for the sheep. ”

Jesus is laying down his life for his sheep, for the flock. And we know from other reading that Jesus laid his life down for all of humanity, and indeed the entire world.

I generally find that churches are all about distance from sin, while Jesus was all about being surrounded by it. Not because he reveled in it, but because its hard to fix a problem when you are sitting far away from it. We pray that God will do something to fix problems in the world…and He has…He has prepared us to do the tasks.

Also, if you feel that the church is kind and accepting to homosexual….well, in my experience and from what I have seen thats little more than a dream. As i’ve said before, churches will preach to murderers and rapists in prison, but if you are gay they want nothing to do with you. As ive also said before, telling people they are an abomination, which is what it normally sounds like, is not an effective preaching tool.

Frankly, I think people ought to here…We do not believe God likes/supports homosexuality, and so we would encourage you to stop the behavior. But if you dont, God will love you anyway. Just like He continues to love me, even though I still lust after women that are not my wife, or even when I skip church because I was out to late last night, or because theres a big game on TV. He will love you even though you sin, just like he loves me in my sin.

But thats not the message we spread. We say “fix it, or get out” and I fear that by and large that results in people getting out.

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