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hal weeks wrote:

My motto is God said it, I believe it, and that settles it.


That’s great, and I agree with you as far as you go; However, it is in the interpreting of what we think God ‘meant’ when He said ‘it’ that we sometimes go ‘astray’.


How is the promise that the Jews will dwell in the promised land to be reconciled with the destiny of the church?

They DID dwell in the ‘Promised Land’. The promises were CONDITIONAL. They BROKE the covenant over and over again. Jesus said their anticipated ‘kingdom’ was about to be taken away from them. In other places he referred to them ‘filling up the cup of iniquity’ which is also alluded to in the following story, they had beaten, stoned, and murdered the ‘servants’, the prophets, and now were about to do the same to the Son. The ‘Vineyard’ was about to be taken away from them, judgment would fall on them, and it would be given to the ‘believing remnant and to the ‘people who were not His people’:

Mat 21:35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.

Mat 21:36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.

Mat 21:37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.

Mat 21:38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.

Mat 21:39 And they caught him, and cast [him] out of the vineyard, and slew [him].

Mat 21:40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?

Mat 21:41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out [his] vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

“Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

A simple rule given in scripture is “first the natural, then the spiritual”. We see it in Esau/Jacob, in Ishmael/Isaac, and in ‘natural Israel’/spiritual Israel.

Bottom line in answer to your question is:

The ultimate purpose of God was NEVER a chunk of real estate in ancient Palestine. Israel, as a people, set apart by God, at least in part to ensure the bloodline of the Messiah, was under the ‘governorship’ of the Mosaic Law until the Messiah, who had promised THEM a New Covenant. Paul talks about a ‘natural Israel’ which is from below, versus a true, ‘spiritual Israel’ which is from above. God’s elect from among Israel CONSTITUTED the church until God decreed that the ‘gospel’ go out to the Gentiles as well. The church is the fulfillment of God’s plans, both for Israel, and for us Gentiles.

“Mat 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.

Mat 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.”

(referring to the unbelieving Jewish leaders of His day. Same Vineyard, He just pruned it, and got rid of those who weren’t His in the first place)


“During the thousand years, who do you believe will be the subject and who will be the rulers?”


At the risk of being ‘pilloried’, I believe that the scripture clearly teaches that we are even now IN GOD’S KINGDOM, and Jesus IS REIGNING, and we are SUPPOSED to be reigning ‘with’ Him right NOW.


And what is the role of David’s kingdom on earth?


You would have to clarify the context of your question for me, okay?


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