The Book of Acts:

The church began in the book of Acts; If you didn't do it

like they did in Acts, if you didn't get it like they did in Acts, then you have not yet been born into the church of the Living God! In the Books preceding Acts we are told that we are lost. It is revealed that we were born sinners, think like sinners, act like sinners and live like sinners. BUT we are given Hope! From Genesis to John and from the Tabernacle to the Cross we see Gods plan unfold and

His intentions to have a church. Why He had to do it, how He would do it, and what would be available to us once it was done. In the Books following Acts, (after you have been re-born), it is revealed to the saved; how to live saved, act saved, think saved and what we can expect in heaven once we receive our reward for being saved. From Romans to Jude, the saved are told how to dress, how to

war in the Spirit, how to be saved on a daily basis, how to conduct themselves in and out of the House of God, how to worship and how to overcome. They are told to reach out, to pick up, to put down, to strive, to fight and to rejoice. They are told what to do, what not to do, what to believe and what to expect from Heaven, hell and the

world. They are told who to trust, who not to trust, who to turn to, who to worship, who helps them remain saved and who the Godhead is.

Revelation gives us a glimpse of where the saved are going, where the unsaved are going, what eternity is gonna be like, How time will end, who the Bridegroom and Lamb are and eventually all the "WHYS" will be answered!

Before Acts everything points to Gods desire and purchase of a church. Everything after Acts was to the strengthening and establishing of God's church, BUT in ACTS we see the beginning of God's church.

Conclusively, ALL the Bible from Genesis to Revelation tells us that we MUST be saved!YET Only the Book of ACTS tells us how to get saved! Anything before Acts is to early, anything after Acts is to late! Here is a question Paul (who also wrote about the "believing" and "grace" of ROMANS and CORINTHIANS) asked "Have ye received the

Holy Ghost since ye believed?" ACTS 19:2

Here is a statement of Jesus "And these sign shall follow them that believe....they shall speak with new tongues" MARK 16:17 Believing is only the 1st step toward salvation because"...he that believeth not is condemned already.

It was Peter on the Day of Pentecost that explained how to be born of the water and of the Spirit; that is immersion in Jesus Name and an infilling of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of other tongues.

Before ACTS, the Spirit moved upon men/women. After ACTS, the Spirit moved upon men/women (with the exception of renewing [or one obeying and receiving as they did in ACTS). IN ACTS, the Spirit moved in

men/women.Therefore, if you haven't received the Spirit like and how the original, 1 and only, Blood bought, Name carrying, only one recognized by Heaven Church received it; that is built by Jesus, owned by Jesus and founded on Jesus. Then you cannot say you belong to the Church. AND the Spirit hasn't moved in you, even tho it may move upon you.

Calvary ushered in the Dispensation of Grace. Grace had been bestowed upon all with the sacrifice of the Perfect Lamb, but all are not saved. The Apostles were already recipients of grace and they believed more than anyone else of that day, yet were told to go and wait for the promise. What was the promise? THE HOLY GHOST - is

SALVATION!, which they did not have due solely to grace or their belief. It was by Grace, belief/Faith and

Obedience/Acts/Actions/Works!

What is ACTS? It is the birth of the New Testament Church. It is the acts/actions (WORKS OF OBEDIENCE) of the Apostles, the 1st to receive the promise that is extended to us all! It is the ACTS/ACTIONS - ie WORKS, it took to obtain the promise/salvation!

"What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? Can faith save him?"

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone""and by works was faith made perfect"

"For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." JAMES 2:14-26

GRACE is the path that leads to the door of salvation and ALL are welcome to it. (JOHN 3:16, ACTS 2:39) FAITH is walking the path, MANY will journey. (MATTHEW 22:14) When you reach the Door, you

MUST have the KEYS (MATTHEW 16:19, ACTS 2:38), to open it! #1 REPENTANCE, #2 BAPTISM IN JESUS NAME, #3 INFILLING OF THE HOLY GHOST WITH THE EVIDENCE OF TONGUES. Sadly, FEW will enter. (MATTHEW 7:14,

22:14)

When the Israelites were freed from the bondage of slavery in Egypt, specific plans given by God had to followed exactly as He stated. For you to freed from the bondage of the slavery of sin in the world, specific plans given by God must be followed exactly as He has stated. When you were born the 1st time, were you brought to life by belief alone? Of course not! It was by believing it could happen, then by an action that caused conception according and in obedience to the law of nature.For the re-birth it will take no less. Belief, action to cause conception possible according and in obedience to the

Law of God!How can we lose!?! We have the Grace. We have the Faith.

Last but not least, (because this is where many stop), We have the Obedience to God and we ACTS according to His Word!

Also Acts 4:12





Beth

Hi Beth,



That is a rather long, hard to follow post. I will respond to one statement you made.



You wrote, " When you reach the Door, you

MUST have the KEYS (MATTHEW 16:19, ACTS 2:38), to open it! #1 REPENTANCE, #2 BAPTISM IN JESUS NAME, #3 INFILLING OF THE HOLY GHOST WITH THE EVIDENCE OF TONGUES. Sadly, FEW will enter. (MATTHEW 7:14,



Please read 1 Cor. 12, 8-11. In that passage, Paul states there is one Holy Spirit, but many different gifts. Just one of those gifts is the gift of tongues. In summary, at the end of the chapter, Paul asks rhetorically, "...do all speak in tongues?" The answer is obvious, NO. If your church teaches the need to prove the Spirit has infilled you by speaking in tongues, then they and you are wrong.



Peter

The Book of Acts:

The church began in the book of Acts; If you didn't do it

like they did in Acts,-------actually the church began in the desert of Sinai it was also Jewish then with Gentile proselytes who became practicing Jews.Acts7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

39 To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt,

if you didn't get it like they did in Acts, then you have not yet been born into the church of the Living God!---------You dont even do what they did in Acts if you did you would have nothing because they sold all and gave all they had so that they had EVERYTHING in common,they still went to a Synagogue,and when Peters shadow passed he healed ALL of themActs2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.,acts5:16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.If you do these things let me take you too my local hospital.



In the Books preceding Acts we are told that we are lost. It is revealed that we were born sinners, think like sinners, act like sinners and live like sinners. BUT we are given Hope! From Genesis to John and from the Tabernacle to the Cross we see Gods plan unfold and

His intentions to have a church. Why He had to do it, how He would do it, and what would be available to us once it was done. In the Books following Acts, (after you have been re-born), it is revealed to the saved; how to live saved, act saved, think saved and what we can expect in heaven once we receive our reward for being saved. From Romans to Jude, the saved are told how to dress, how to ----Actually the gospel we preach isnt addressed until Paul defines it, it was there at the cross but not yet defined ;we preach the death burial,and rsssurection of Jesus not the Kingdom of Heaven gospel.

war in the Spirit, how to be saved on a daily basis, how to conduct themselves in and out of the House of God, how to worship and how to overcome. They are told to reach out, to pick up, to put down, to strive, to fight and to rejoice. They are told what to do, what not to do, what to believe and what to expect from Heaven, hell and the

world. They are told who to trust, who not to trust, who to turn to, who to worship, who helps them remain saved and who the Godhead is. ---Huh?your church usually says you walk away by being a sinner,I am a Saint after salvation,thats what Gods word says in the Pauline epistles.No long.er a sinner.

Revelation gives us a glimpse of where the saved are going, where the unsaved are going, what eternity is gonna be like, How time will end, who the Bridegroom and Lamb are and eventually all the "WHYS" will be answered!

Before Acts everything points to Gods desire and purchase of a church. Everything after Acts was to the strengthening and establishing of God's church, BUT in ACTS we see the beginning of God's church.

Conclusively, ALL the Bible from Genesis to Revelation tells us that we MUST be saved!YET Only the Book of ACTS tells us how to get saved! Anything before Acts is to early, anything after Acts is to late! Here is a question Paul (who also wrote about the "believing" and "grace" of ROMANS and CORINTHIANS) asked "Have ye received the

Holy Ghost since ye believed?" ACTS 19:2 ------yep he had to go back over these Acts2 converts because Apollos had the Acts2 baptism of repentance and it had been put on hold at Acts8,when the Jewish nation was set aside temporarily by their rejection of Jesus.

Here is a statement of Jesus "And these sign shall follow them that believe....they shall speak with new tongues" MARK 16:17 Believing is only the 1st step toward salvation because"...he that believeth not is condemned already.

It was Peter on the Day of Pentecost that explained how to be born of the water and of the Spirit; that is immersion in Jesus Name and an infilling of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of other tongues.

Before ACTS, the Spirit moved upon men/women. After ACTS, the Spirit moved upon men/women (with the exception of renewing [or one obeying and receiving as they did in ACTS). IN ACTS, the Spirit moved in

men/women.Therefore, if you haven't received the Spirit like and how the original, 1 and only, Blood bought, Name carrying, only one recognized by Heaven Church received it; that is built by Jesus, owned by Jesus and founded on Jesus. Then you cannot say you belong to the Church. AND the Spirit hasn't moved in you, even tho it may move upon you.

Calvary ushered in the Dispensation of Grace. Grace had been bestowed upon all with the sacrifice of the Perfect Lamb, but all are not saved. The Apostles were already recipients of grace and they believed more than anyone else of that day, yet were told to go and wait for the promise. What was the promise? THE HOLY GHOST - is

SALVATION!, which they did not have due solely to grace or their belief. It was by Grace, belief/Faith and

Obedience/Acts/Actions/Works!

What is ACTS? It is the birth of the New Testament Church. It is the acts/actions (WORKS OF OBEDIENCE) of the Apostles, the 1st to receive the promise that is extended to us all! It is the ACTS/ACTIONS - ie WORKS, it took to obtain the promise/salvation! ---------Actually the church began in Matthew at the calling of the twelve.The Spiritual church began at the cross wich is what we belong too if saved.

"What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? Can faith save him?"

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone""and by works was faith made perfect"

"For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." JAMES 2:14-26

GRACE is the path that leads to the door of salvation and ALL are welcome to it. (JOHN 3:16, ACTS 2:39) FAITH is walking the path, MANY will journey. (MATTHEW 22:14) When you reach the Door, you

MUST have the KEYS (MATTHEW 16:19, ACTS 2:38), to open it! #1 REPENTANCE, #2 BAPTISM IN JESUS NAME, #3 INFILLING OF THE HOLY GHOST WITH THE EVIDENCE OF TONGUES. Sadly, FEW will enter. (MATTHEW 7:14,

22:14) --------what language do you speak?The tongues in Acts were known tongues.Acts2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.



When the Israelites were freed from the bondage of slavery in Egypt, specific plans given by God had to followed exactly as He stated. For you to freed from the bondage of the slavery of sin in the world, specific plans given by God must be followed exactly as He has stated. When you were born the 1st time, were you brought to life by belief alone? Of course not! It was by believing it could happen, then by an action that caused conception according and in obedience to the law of nature.For the re-birth it will take no less. Belief, action to cause conception possible according and in obedience to the

Law of God!How can we lose!?! We have the Grace. We have the Faith.

Last but not least, (because this is where many stop), We have the Obedience to God and we ACTS according to His Word!

Also Acts 4:12

----well I addressed most of your article,the crux of it is you dont follow Acts2 either.You still have things you havnt given to your church for all to have EVERYTHING in common.You dont heal all by your shadow as the leader did of Acts 2and your leaders dont either.Rev.2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars.





Beth

Hi Ekansboa

I see you are still here making your posts. It is some time since I entered into the Postings area, but here we are again having the endless debate about speaking in other tongues as a sign of receiving the Holy Ghost.

Just one aspect of the reply you made, I wont go into the full discussion is this:

In the chapter you refer to Paul was correcting the Corinthian church which was out of order at the time.

He was laying down the guidelines for running a church meeting.

He is telling the congregation that it is not fruitful for all to speak in tongues IN THE CHURCH as people coming in will think they are mad. Vs23 In verse 27 He outlines how the voice gifts should be operated in the Church.(it would just sound like a huge babble and what would it profit them, my words)

In Verse 22 it says an interesting thing...Tongues are for a sign not to them that believe, but to them that believe not.

I actually agree with Beth.

The personal infilling of the Holy Spirit is accompanied with the sign of speaking in other tongues.

You can receive this at anytime anywhere when you are praying and asking. You do not have to be in a Church meeting.

I know people that have received the Spirit feeding their chickens, driving their cars or in the shower, when they have been praying.

We prayed for a lady the other day.

We prayed that the Lord would bless her and fill her with the Holy Spirit.

As we prayed she began speaking in a new tongue.

perhaps you would like to comment on these things

Covenantwoman

Hi Covenant Woman,



You wrote, "I actually agree with Beth. The personal infilling of the Holy Spirit is accompanied with the sign of speaking in other tongues." Since you and Beth believe this is true, maybe you could quote some verses that tells me you are correct. Where does it say this? Wether in church or out of church, it was a gift. Paul says not everyone has all gifts. That doesn't mean that not everyone has the gift of tongues in church but all have it out side the church. Some are Apostles. This can't mean, some are Apostles in the church but all are Apostles outside the church.



Beth wrote, "The church began in the book of Acts; If you didn't do it like they did in Acts, if you didn't get it like they did in Acts, then you have not yet been born into the church of the Living God!" Do you agree? Lets test this statement.



Acts 2:1-4 : "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."



Have you and Beth done it like they did it? This was the first time these people spoke in tongues. They were not showering or feeding the chickens. They were all in one place. There was a sound of a mighty rushing wind. Everyone hears that today? Cloven tongues like fire sat on everyone's head. I have never heard anyone claim they experienced that and wonder if you or Beth saw that when you first spoke in tongues. Drop down to verse 6 and you will see people from other nations heard them speak in their own language. What nationalities were present when you or Beth first spoke?



If you didn't do it like they did it then you are not part of the Church. I didn't say that, Beth did, and you agree.



Peter

bibleistruth is the only one that comes REMOTELY close.



the "church" is nothing but CROCK.



we belong, to the Body of Christ(in the originals)

we belong, to the Bride of Christ(in the origianls)

we belong, to the ECCLESIA(in the originals)

we belong, to the KURIAKON(NOT IN THE ORIGINALS)



KURIAKON--is the word for "lords house"---that was NEVER, in the originals.



ECCLESIA, means ONLY THIS...



ejkklhsiva Ekklesia (ek-klay-see'-ah);

Word Origin: Greek, Noun Feminine, Strong #: 1577





a gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assembly

an assembly of the people convened at the public place of the council for the purpose of deliberating

the assembly of the Israelites

any gathering or throng of men assembled by chance, tumultuously

in a Christian sense

an assembly of Christians gathered for worship in a religious meeting

a company of Christian, or of those who, hoping for eternal salvation through Jesus Christ, observe their own religious rites, hold their own religious meetings, and manage their own affairs, according to regulations prescribed for the body for order's sake

those who anywhere, in a city, village, constitute such a company and are united into one body

the whole body of Christians scattered throughout the earth

the assembly of faithful Christians already dead and received into heaven





DOES ANYONE SEE THE WORD CHURCH THERE????????



NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.



now--decide why KING JAMES TOLD HIS TRANSLATORS TO PURPOSELY MISTRANSLATE THIS.........



Heb 2:12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.



WHY---DIDNT HE ALLOW THE TRANSLATORS TO KEEP THE ORIGINAL?



Ps 22:22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.



THE SAME WORD ECCLESIA IS USED IN BOTH VERSES



why do the pathetic RCC and KJVO false teachers FIGHT over "CHURCH"????????



because HENRY VIII and JAMES wanted to DECLARE "CHURCH" OF ENGLAND AS THE POWER, OVER "CHURCH" OF ROME.



why did the PAPACY WANT THE "CHURCH" TO BE THE CHURCH?



POWER, INFLUENCE, CONTROL---HATE THE JEWS!!!!!!!!



thats why.



ECCLESIA---means ASSEMBLY OF CALLED OUT ONES---NOT CHURCH



the Ecclesia, BRIDE OF CHRIST, has been formed since ABEL.



THE FIRST MARTYR of FAITH.



FAITH IN GOD---IS THE ONLY THING THAT SAVES AND JUSTIFIES



READ YOUR BIBLES. HEBREWS 11 DECLARES OT SAINTS HAD FAITH IN THE CHRIST, THE MESSIAH.



sick replacement theology.



we are part of the ECCLESIA/QAHAL.



ECCLESIA BEING THE SEPTUAGINT

QAHAL BEING THE HEBREW.

Church (Greek Ekklesia)

This Is Appendix 186 From The Companion Bible.





The Greek word ekklesia means assembly, or a gathering of called-out ones. It is used seventy times in the Septuagint for the Hebrew kahal (from which latter we have our word call), rendered in Septuagint by sunagoge and ekklesia.1 This latter word occ. in New Testament 115 times (36 in plural), and is always translated "church" except in Acts 19:32, 39, 41 (assembly).





kahal is used (1) of Israel as a People called out from the rest of the nations (Genesis 28:3); (2) of the tribal council of Simeon and Levi, those called out from each tribe (Genesis 49:6); (3) of an assembly of Israelites called out for worship or any other purpose (Deuteronomy 18:16; 31:30. Joshua 8:35. Judges 21:8); (4) any assembly of worshippers as a congregation (Psalm 22:22, 25. Ekklesia in Matthew 16:18; (18:17. 1Corinthians 14:19, 35, etc.); (5) the equivalent ekklesia of separate assemblies in different localities (Acts 5:11; 8:3. 1 Corinthians 4:17, etc.); (6) of the guild or "union" of Ephesian craftsmen (Acts 19:32, 41), and verse 39 (the lawful assembly). Finally, the special Pauline usage of ekklesia differs from all these. Other assemblies consisted of called-out ones from Jews, or from Gentiles (Acts 18:22), but this new body is of called-out ones from both.





Our word "church" 2 has an equally varied usage. It is used (1) of any congregation; (2) of a particular church (England, or Rome, etc); (3) of the ministry of a church; (4) of the building in which the congregation assembles; (5) of Church as distinct from Chapel; (6) of the church as distinct from the world, and lastly, it is used in the Pauline sense, of the body of Christ.





It is of profound importance to distinguish the usage of the word in each case, else we may be reading "the church which was in the wilderness" into the Prison Epistles, although we are expressly told that there is neither Jew nor Gentile in the "church which is His body". And when our Lord said "On this rock I will build my church" (Matthew 16:18), those who heard His words could not connect them with the "mystery" which was "hid in God" and had not then been made known to the sons of men. Confusion follows our reading what refers to Israel in the past or the future into the present dispensation. Readers are referred to the various notes in the connexions.





The word where qualified by other terms occurs thus: -





Church of God; Acts 20:28. 1 Corinthians 1:2; 10:32; 11:16 (plural), 22; 15:9. 2 Corinthians 1:1. Galatians 1:13. 1 Thessalonians 2:14 (plural). 2 Thessalonians 1:4 (plural). 1 Timothy 3:5, 15 (c. of the living God).





Churches of Christ; Romans 16:16.





Church in .. house; Romans 16:5. 1 Corinthians 16:19. Colossians 4:15. Philemon 2.





Churches of the Gentiles; Romans 16:4.





Churches of Galatia; 1 Corinthians 16:1. Galatians 1:2. Of Asia; 1 Corinthians 16:19. Of Macedonia; 2 Corinthians 8:1. Of Judaea; Galatians 1:22. Of the Laodiceans; Colossians 4:16. Of the Thessalonians; 1 Thessalonians 1:1; 2 Thessalonians 1:1.





Church of the firstborn (plural); Hebrews 12:23.





Church in Ephesus, Smyrna, etc. Revelation 2 and 3; and





Churches; Revelation 22:16.



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NOTES

1 kahal occurs in the Old Testament 123 times; congregation eighty-six, assembly seventeen, company seventeen, and multitude three times. The Septuagint uses sunagoge and ekklesia as practically synonymous terms. But the sunagoge concerns the bringing together of the members of an existing society or body excluding all others, whereas the ekklesia calls and invites all men, including outsiders everywhere, to join it. Sunagoge being permanently associated with Jewish worship, was dropped by the early Christians in favor of ekklesia as of wider import.



2 Is derived from the Greek kuriakos, of or belonging to the Lord, house (Greek oikos) being understood. It comes to us through Anglo-Saxon circe (Scottish kirk).

what did you find out about the word "edah"?



you see---you have taken a post 2nd millinea AD definition of "ecclesia" and tried to "insert" it into the 1st millinea definition.



ecclesia,in the koine(common) greek, that Alexander had "accumulated and joined", meant ONLY called out ones to assemble--



in BOTH testaments.



the septuagint---used ecclesia---for 2 HEBREW WORDS!!!!!!



Qahal

Edah



the qahal--only reference the Israel that was of Faith--born again.



the edah---only referenced the ENTIRE nation---faithful and non-faithful..



so the 'ECCLESIA in the wilderness---is the EDAH===not the qahal!!!!!!!!



you have to study HEBREW---to get the right understanding.



ECCLESIA---never meant church.



the koine greek for church was "kuriakon"----not ecclesia.



you have to study.

Ex 12:6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.



The septuagint---used "ecclesia"---for BOTH---assembly and congregation



HOWEVER-----THE HEBREW WORDS WERE DIFFERENT...



THE FAITHFUL:



assembly: 6951

lhq Qahal (kaw-hawl'); Noun Masculine, Strong #: 6951





assembly, company, congregation, convocation

assembly

for evil counsel, war or invasion, religious purposes

company (of returning exiles)

congregation

as organised body



and the NATION:



congregation: 5712

hd[ `edah (ay-daw'); Noun Feminine, Strong #: 5712





congregation, gathering



the "whole congregation of Israel"---is the NATION/EDAH.



the "whole assembly of called out faithful ones"---is the remnant/QAHAL



there are 2 Israels.



beleivers

non-beleivers.



replacement theologists refuse to accept that.



they say "church" is the way to go.



thats why, there are many denoms,



it started with the cultic RCC using the word about peter starting a "new body"



the cultic KJVO people, dont realize little james dictated the translations, to show the "church of england", was indeed supperior to the "church of rome"



most christians have been SNAGGED by politics and harlotry.

only problem is, church is from kuriakon, not ecclesia, as you wrongly tried to insinuate.(try learning koine greek, from todays greek)



no matter how much one wants to twist a faulty body into the scripture,



Christ marries saints from Abel on up.



and 99% never heard of "church/kuriakon".



but they have heard of Qahal,ecclesia,congregation and assembly.

Tongues are different languages like Greek and so on in Acts 2. Tongues isn't a mystery language. There are some denominations that have the teaching that it's the mystery language.