I saw on Television today a commercial I had never seen before, I believe it is new because I watch more TV than I should and like I said I had never seen this spot before.



Any way, the message flashes from one religious group to another in different forms of their 'worship' including 'christians', Buddists, Hindu and the far eastern religions. The message is that we should all be respectful of other's religion.



Where in the Bible is there any tolerance or respect for other gods or religions?

Boy Merlin, You are diving in deep on this one! There isn't anything in the Bible because our God is a jealous God and doesn't want us to worship other gods. The political correct crowd will scream and yell that we are narrow-minded and prejudice against other religions. That said, however, we must still love others as ourselves, as this is the greatest commandment of them all. Good luck with this thread, it'll probably get kinda ugly in here based on past experiences!!



With love in Christ,

Ellen

Thanks for the reply Jesusgirl! And it's Okay if it gets ugly! I stand on the Words of Yahweh and am in full suit of armour at all times

Love

Merlin

So, Banksson, you are putting your politcal adgenda before your faith in Yahweh.

Who is it we should be more loyal to, political correctness or your Father in Heaven?

We are warned many, many times throughout the scripture not to mix with other religions.

Merlin,



Me thinks you're right about there not being any "direct" reference to tolerance and/or respect for other "gods" or religions; However, that being said, we are still to be "the Salt of the Earth".



When the Lord said "Be ye separated", I find that all to many God-fearing [Christian] people, see this as meaning "Be ye isolated"; and as such, they seek to keep as much distance between them and those who worship other "gods".



Me thinks it wise to remember that it's not up to us, (that both fear and believe in God), to judge others and their "beliefs". That's Gods department.



One may one to look at this "issue", in the same way that Jesus looks upon non-believers [sinners].

"Hate the sin, Love the sinner"



One other thing I'd like to mention.

The first thought that came to mind when I read your post, is that this may be the beginning of the desensitizing of the general population.

When applied to this situation, it can lead to the "thought" that there is no difference between Jewish beliefs, Christian beliefs, Buddhism...etc.



It's been proven that if a person sees something often enough, it no longer offends them.



This could very possibly be satans way of ushering in a "one world belief "system.

You are absolutely correct, political christian, this is a step toward desensitizing, as so many other immoral and decadant behaviors are excepted over time as becoming 'normal'.

It is just one (more), step closer to the 'one world religion' and as a result the 'One world government', that is the adgenda of those in power.

I find the thought of moving toward a one world religion completely frightening. I think what's even more frightening is a report that in New Jersey some people were praying in their house and someone complained and the police responded. I heard only part of the report on the Family Life Network, a Christian Radio station, out of Bath NY but didn't catch the whole thing. I hate to report on something I partially heard, but this is highly disturbing to me. I never thought I would live to see the day when Christians are really truly beginning to be persecuted for their beliefs. Also what came to mind after reading your posts is a scene from Star Trek (the newer series) when Capt. Picard was talking to someone about going home to France and was talking about how the world governments had solved the problems of world hunger and all the social problems and everyone was united in peace. It reminds me of the Bible passage that speaks of everyone proclaiming peace and then the end will come. It was such a little thing on a tv show a long time ago but it's indicative of where we are heading, I'm afraid.



Well, I'm afraid I've rambled a bit and perhaps talked of things not relevant, but they were swimming in my mind and I wanted to get them out. If I can find the report of the NJ incident I will share it.



With love in Christ,

Ellen

Oh! But Ellen, they are so relevant!!

This is just another indication of our being in 'the End Times'

We should be opening our eyes and looking up, for His time is near, very near!

There is another post of mine on the Evangelical forum, I think I called it 'come out of her my people'. I think you might find that interesting.

I would be most interested to learn more of this incident you referred to, if you find out more!

Yahweh Bless you

Religious Tolerance. (A message to all Nations.)

Many today, as was in the beginning of so called religious freedoms, have introduced other strange gods and doctrines. This is accepted today as tolerance of religious freedom. This is the way of life that is acceptable to many creeds, nations, tongues and peoples, around the world.

We as a nation accept all manner of religions; this has been made acceptable and tolerated by society. But what we as a nation can't tolerate, is for this country to be, associated with, or support these false gods. Gods’ word speaks of many false gods that we are neither to follow, nor fellowship with, from Baal to the Ephesians goddess Diana. Would Satanism be tolerated and acceptable to teach in our schools? Would this religion be tolerated in our houses of leadership? I think not. Many tolerate false gods and accept them as a religious right, just because we as a nation have been based on religious freedom. But I would say that even these types of religions would not be tolerated, in sort of a pick and choose society. What about Somalia, Ethiopia, and other countries in Africa that are physically under attack by Muslims trying to force their religion on entire countries? Is this also religious freedom for one religion to attempt this type of action? Christianity never try’s to force Gods word on anyone. We preach the truth and let the word convict, then it is between the individual and God.

This was evident in the case of Jim Jones and David Corresh. All manner of false religions are in need of hearing the Gospel to be converted and saved, by Jesus, to assure that all have heard the truth. We see this commandment in the writings of Paul in 1st. Corinthians 10:21; “Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.” For Christians there is no fellowship with, devils, workers of darkness, nor any spirit of the anti-Christ.

Php 2:15; “That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

“The light of the world”. Can we be a light mingled with dark clouds hanging around us and over us? Are we a light that has gone dim by associating, integrating and mingling ourselves with these workers of iniquity? Are we, as a Nation, to revert back from where we were just 2,000 years ago, worshiping and believing in every wind and doctrine, worshiping the devils of mans imagination? Will we fall from the grace of God and be a Nation of unknown gods? Are we to loose our identity, as a nation, a people a light, because of religious tolerance? This is the fact that Paul was bringing out to the Corinthians in, 1st.Co 10:20; “But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.” Putting great emphasis on; “I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.”

1Co 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) “as there be gods many, and lords many.” Many gods and many lords, but whom do we worship? There is a Church in China that has announced that Christ has arrived in the flesh, in the appearance of a woman, a female that was born of mother and father. This is a fulfillment of prophecy that you have already read. Go not to this woman, seek not her counsel, and seek not to proclaim her as Christ, for she is not the Christ. She is a false, Christ, prophet, doctrine and teacher. She was sent and proclaimed by this church to deceive. Ask yourself a question, “Would I tolerate this Christ” in our country or even my neighborhood?” If not then where is her religious tolerance?

Where does religious tolerance start becoming a type of heathenism?”

Can we as a Nation, or in fact other nations, fall by rejecting the Truth of the Gospel?

Lets read, Oba 1:3; “The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?”

Pro 26:26 Whose hatred is covered by deceit, his wickedness shall be shewed before the whole congregation. Has pride overshadowed our fear of the Most High God? 1st.John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Mark 7:20-23; And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Can Mark, 7:20-23, also be associated with a nation, can a nation be defiled by tolerating false gods? Yes.



Psa 33:8-12; Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.

For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

The LORD bringeth the counsel of the heathen to nought: he maketh the devices of the people of none effect.

The counsel of the LORD standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations. The Bible states; “The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogance, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.” “froward mouth”; Perverse, that is, turning from, with aversion or reluctance; not willing to yield or comply with what is required; unyielding; ungovernable; refractory; disobedient; peevish.(KJD)





Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance. We must be a Nation that is known as a land of God the Almighty, for the Gospel states, “Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.” Being otherwise brings a curse with it. For God will bless whom He will Bless and Curse whom He will Curse. Pro 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

Isa 23:9 The LORD of hosts hath purposed it, to stain the pride of all glory, and to bring into contempt all the honourable of the earth.

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Gal 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. Leave the unrighteous, ungodly, anti-Christ religions alone, let them do as they will, for God shall separate the unbeliever at the time of judgment, but be not partakers with them nor stand with them for their causes. Do not be partakers of their sin, this is a commandment of God.



Here is the end of the matter of religious tolerance as prescribed by God; 2nd.John 1:9-10; “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Rev.A.R.Smith

Well said Reverend! I'm glad you agree! We are becoming a 'pagan' nation as we continue to accept and adapt the Faith in Yahweh to adhere to their forms of worship, rather than even attempting to teach them the truth.



We are teaching a form of Satanism in our schools today!! When 'Harry Potter' is made to be required reading!



Thanks for the comments and the Word of Yahweh!!

You wrote:Christianity never tries to force Gods word on anyone. We preach the truth and let the word convict, then it is between the individual and God.

This was evident in the case of Jim Jones and David Corresh.



Am I misunderstanding your point here? Are you saying that Jim Jones and David Corresh "Preached the truth and let the word convict, then left it to the individual and God"?



Or are you intending to convey the idea that Corresh and Jones were evidential cases of false religion which 'believers' should oppose as end time Satanic manifestations of error?



It does not seem clear what your meaning is.



Regarding the thread topic: Christians should always 'Speak the truth in love' I all too often see the 'truth' spoken or written in these forums in such a way that it is hardly recognisably 'loving' in the way it is spoken, (written).



Sure we should not fail to give good account of the hope that is in us, but there is much of value in other 'religions' and it does not help the cause of the TRUTH to 'CRUSADE' in an aggressive and argumentative spirit. It is neither a good example of humility nor is it actually 'Christlike' to go spoiling for a fight over what we understand is The Truth.



We should share our faith, not try to impose it.



To that end it will be more likely that we will have opportunity to share with those we 'befriend' and treat 'respectfully' than with those we 'insult', 'patronise' or 'threaten'.



The church has always increased most quickly when it suffered patiently. 'The blood of the martyrs was the seed of the church' and in some ways still is.



Walking the second mile means 'closer' association with 'the enemy' in the hope of befriending him and influencing the opposition positively with our loyalty to the teachings of our Lord and Saviour. Not shunning them all indiscriminately as heretics and devil worshipers. In my opinion, this type of aggressive 'sallying forth' evangelism arises out of a 'siege mentality' not out of confidence in 'The power of the Holy Spirit'.

You make an excellent point rd!! I didn't read it that way when I read that response from the Reverend. It was he, not I that made those comments. I would assume, (realizing that that can be very dangerous), that he was referring to David and Jimmy that they were False teachers. Maybe he will clarify that point if he checks back here for the conversation to continue.

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Jim J. And David C. were false prophets, with a strong delusion of self rightiousness and a god complex. We share the Gospel but we do not alter, nor do we associate with the unfruitful workers of darkness. In other words, Christ stated that there would come false Christ, prophets, teachers and doctrine and there are, two flase Christ, in fact, in the last 6 months, 1 in India and the other in South America, decieving thousands. We are , as Paul stated, set for the defencwe of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Rom 16:17-18; Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

The words religious tolerance comes from those that are afraid of the unknown. Think about it, 100 years ago this nation never heard of the Muslim religion, 50 years ago many never realized that Israel wasn't a nation according to the Bible, and 5 minutes ago you maby never really understood what religious tolerance really meant. Jesus was not in the habit of allowing religious tolerance and neither was His and our Father. Religious tolerance is another word for fear, ano0ther word for doubt and another word for submission, to idol worship, devil worship, indifference, and unrighteousness.



Php 3:18-19; (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

Do we love our enemies, yes, do we pray for our enemies, yes, do we tolerate their rejection of Jesus as Lord, never. How many seeds does it take to grow 1 plant? 2,3 or just 1? Look at evolution and what is being taught in our schools, look at 1 one woman being able to take prayer out of school and it only took 1 mayor to defy the U.S. Judicial system to allow homosexual marriages. Just a thought.

Just a couple of comments.



In the matter of "speaking in love". I think that, yes, we should always speak in love (but since we are human...). But I think along the lines of speaking in love with our Christian brothers and sisters first, and I'll tell you why. If we have a disagreement and you lay into me and are acting completely non-loving to me and I become offended. I therefore have an obligation to go to you and say, "So and So, you hurt me with your words (or actions) and I was reading in the Bible where it says..., and I'm concerned about this. Can we talk?" or however you want to word it. This is spoken in love and is Bibical and the person, if they are a Christian, can't very well disput the Bible. I have not gone to the person and said, "See you un-Biblical person, you are horrible 'cause..." There is definately a difference.



With non-Christians, we still have an obligation to act lovingly by sharing our faith, and yes, not ramming it down someone's throat but we still should not tolerate anti-Christ activites, behaviors, beliefs, etc. Which I think is kind of hard sometimes as I am a "fixer" type person and hate to hurt anyone's feelings but then I think would I want that person to spend the rest of their eternity in hell.



Rev. Smith and Chris, as always I have enjoyed your posts a great deal. This has been a great thread, much to my surprise!



With love in Christ,

Ellen

Ellen remember these passages;

Act 19:34 But when they knew that he was a Jew, all with one voice about the space of two hours cried out, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.

Act 19:40 For we are in danger to be called in question for this day's uproar, there being no cause whereby we may give an account of this concourse.

Just by being believers in Christ we become the target of much contriversy and uproar among the religious zellots, that many want to become religious tollerant of. Just a thought. ars.

Thank you all! This has been a great thread! And I am not boasting!



Rev. A.R., in your reference to Acts 19:34, I think that 'christians' have forgotten that Yahshua was, and IS, Jewish. He has been given a greek title "Jesus Christ".



We assume because we don't have in our hands that the Apostles of Yahshua wrote in greek. They were Jewish, not greek, Yahshua spoke Hebrew and Aramaic, not greek. We are missing the point in so many ways because we do not read the scriptures from a Jewish standpoint. The greeks got the idea that Yahshua came to start a new religion and Constantine brought that about in mixing all the pagan ways of his background with this new religion that he knew full well he could not stop.



Hence we now have Sunday (Sun god) worship, Easter, which is Ishtar worship, and Saturnalia, which is xmas.

I know this is hard to accept, but just do a web-search of the origins of these pagan holidays and you cannot disagree. Keeping in mind how many times throughout the Old and 'Renewed' Covenants we are warned about mixing with the pagan ways.



Ellen, you bring up a great point about peolpe 'getting their feelings hurt'. We have become such a 'politically correct' society in that we don't dare say anything that might offend someone and their beliefs. We have 'proclaimed' a picture of Yahshua being this kind and gentle, man. I don't read the scriptures that way at all! Yahshua made so many staatemnets that copuld not have been spoken in such a fashion. He called the Pharisees, 'Vipers', He asked His own disciples; "How long shall I put up with you?" "You of little belief." The scriptures say that He spoke with 'authority', that was not 'gentle'.



Does it make sense that Sha'ul (Paul), would speak gently to the Corinthians, when he was rebuking them for their transgressions?



We have forgotten that we are to rebuke each other! But today we call that 'judgment'.



I was in a chat room yesterday (Sabbath), and a very young, very, very bright young man entered the chat room where we were using the 'true' names of Yahweh and Yahshua. He asked many questions and it was really quite amazing. Anyway, I asked him; if you were to travel abroad, how would you feel if the people changed your name to 'Duffus'? I was merely trying to make a point. Yet, someone else in the chat room said to me; wasn't that rather harsh? This young man did not take that question in the same way this other person did. As this young man IM'd me and confided a bit with me. Earlier in this thread, I was just attempting to make a point and that 'point' was taken as an 'attack' on that person. I did not mean it that way, and I now openly apologize for that mis-understanding. But it does show how easily we get hurt. And that comes from what we have been discussing, a slow and steady change in our values and all the 'bleeding heart' liberals who think it is a derogatory name to refer to someone as an 'Indian' or 'Black" or whatever. Today it is okay to use one term but the next day, because one person was offended, it is suddenly wrong to use that term.



Rev. Smith mentioned the 'Vail of deception'.



I personally think that we need to get back to the 'Faith' that was taught by the 'Original' twelve Apostles, or followers of Yahshua. their teachings and the teachings of Yahshua have long been abandoned. I believe that many christians are under that vail of deception. I am studying the 5th thru the 10th (so far) chapters of Yirmeyahu (Jerimiah) at the moment. And I find this to be a perfect example or description of the 'church' today.



The Doctrines that are so prevelent in protestant 'ism' is based on the very same teachings and theology of the so-called,'church fathers' which are the same theologians who took the world into the 'Dark Ages' and the Heretical Catholic Church.



The 'sects' who held to the teachings of the Apostles and Yahshua, Known as 'The Way', were dismissed from attending the 'Council' (of Nicene) that established the 'doctrines' that are, perhaps, that 'Vail'.



Today what some call 'legalism' I really prefer to call 'Obedience'!



The 'legalism' and the traditions that Yahshua fought against with the Pharisees and the leaders of the day, was not the Old Covenant as the 'church' would have us believe. It was the 'Talmud' or the oral laws, or the 'Pharisitical' laws that He challenged. the 'adding to and taking away' from the 'Torah'.

The made up laws according to their interpretations. This is what Yahshua came to stop. See Mattithyahu 5:17-20.



Repentance AND Obedience are still a 'requirement' today!



Just some thoughts!

revarsmith (revarsmith) and ALL



Rom 16:17-18; Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.



Context: Context: Context:



This principle of avoidance clearly is intended to be exercised in the case of those who ‘cause divisions and offences’. Divisions in what? Obviously in the body of Christ i.e. The Church. So we are talking here of false teachers within the church of Christ not other ‘religions’ outside of The Church.



Avoid them carries the connotation not of deliberately setting up a barricade and declaring open hostilities but rather of ‘not engaging in similar divisive conduct’ or ‘not allowing them to recruit you to their ‘doctrine’ or their ‘cause’.



Corresh and the like are prime examples of this kind of ‘exclusivist, false doctrinal, sectarian’ attitude to the way they practiced their ‘religion’.



Avoid does not mean we should shun all those of other ‘faiths’ who believe differently than ourselves.



The words religious tolerance comes from those that are afraid of the unknown.



It could also be said that religious intolerance also comes from those that are afraid of the unknown. On the one hand fear of the ‘unknown’ i.e. their ignorance of ‘other’ religions and their devotees. And on the other hand fear that they will be asked to ‘give account’ of the ‘Hope that is in them’.



In other words the avoidance person is a very poor Evangelist, being so unsure of their own position that they are ‘afraid’ to expose themselves to the ‘belief systems’ of others in case they ‘loose’ their own insecure ‘faith?’.



Insularity was rife amid the Jewish Traditionalists in the early church and it took a direct intervention of God to convince Peter that God did not by any means forbid contact with ‘non Jews’. The Early church therefore saw ‘dialogue’ with Greeks and Roman ‘Pagans’ as being an opportunity to evangelise and spread the ‘Good News’.



Religious tolerance is another word for fear, another word for doubt and another word for submission, to idol worship, devil worship, indifference, and unrighteousness.



‘Religious’ = of, concerned with, devoted to, a belief in , recognition of or an awakened sense of a higher unseen controlling power or powers, with the emotion and morality connected with such.



‘Tolerate’ = to endure, esp with patience or forbearance, to put up with; to treat fairly, to accept(a person with different religious, political, etc. beliefs or opinions).



Tolerance = the ability to resist or endure pain or hardship; the disposition, ability or willingness to be fair towards the accepting of different religious, political etc. beliefs and opinions.



These are the dictionary definitions we should be working with if we are to understand what ‘religious tolerance’ actually is.



The opposite to ‘religious tolerance’ would be ‘religious bigotry’ where one cannot ‘endure with patience’, ‘put up with’, ‘treat fairly’ or ‘accept’ )a person with different religious, political, etc. beliefs or opinions).



This is an attitude I frequently come up against in the Debate Forums, I regret to say.



You wrote:do we tolerate their rejection of Jesus as Lord, never.



There is something which seems very Islamist or even Marxist about the attitude of mind which lies behind this statement.



Jesus was very tolerant of those who rejected him actually! He spent a lot of time trying to get the Pharisees to see reason and even engaged in heated debate and occasionally even shocked and insulted them to get their attention to his message. But he also credited them with 'enthusiasm' and suggested his own disciples should try to outdo them in righteousness.



Jesus prayed for those who abused and persecuted him actually!

Jesus forgave his persecutors and has commanded US to do the same actually!



Scripture does not imply that by such behaviour Jesus was ‘submitting, to idol worship, devil worship, indifference, and unrighteousness’.



So neither would we be submitting to their errors simply by ‘treating fairly’ and ‘accepting’ people of ‘other’ religions as fellow human beings who happen to ‘believe’ differently than ourselves.



I believe that actually Jesus was not submitting but overcoming the powers and making a public exhibition of their true nature by refusing to hurl abuse back at them and thus merely behave as they did. Jesus did better!



Tolerance, i.e. ‘patient, forbearing endurance’ is a Christian virtue and a practical demonstration of commitment to the teachings of our Lord. It is actually emulating his own earthly behaviour, just as true disciples should do.



The early church was not ever in a position to ‘legislate’ or dictate how a Nation should behave. Jesus never envisaged that His followers ever would ‘control or frame’ the laws of any Nation. He saw us as always being a ‘little flock’ until His return to gather us.



The very idea of imposing LAW on a country to 'make it' or 'keep it' ‘more Christian’ is not Christian. It is Jewish or Moslem.



You can’t ‘legislate’ FAITH. Only THE LAW can be enforced. And we as Christians are no longer under Law but under Grace.



If we are under Grace then we should be gracious to others no matter what country class or creed. That means being tolerant while maintaining our own Christian identity and integrity.



Love Chris.

Were the Pharisees a religious representative of the Doctrine of God? Or were they a representative of a doctrine, that they had changed? We are speaking of not only accepting other religions to maintain peace,(Which will happen.) but we are specifically speaking of Biblical prophecy.(One world religion.)

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.



1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

What would happen if we all, who believe in Christ, told this to a congregation of, Satanist, Buddhism, or Islamic believers? Where is this so called religious tolerance, where-by we can speak the truth outwardly?

Can we have a real relationship with the workers of darkness? The answer is no, Jesus told us, and warned us to stay away from those that denied the truth,



Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. This verse is just an example, the beginning, and not the end, lets look a little deeper;

1Ti 6:3-5; If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

1Co_5:9-11; 2Th_3:6, 2Th_3:14; 1Ti_6:3-5; 2Ti_3:5; Tit_3:10; 2Jo_1:10,2Jo_1:11



To be religious tolerant, would any Christian, allow any one, who calls himself a priest, who is an anti-Christ, to come into their congregation and speak against Christ?

Religious tolerance is a the start of a one world religion that will allow the Anti-Christ to gain control of the E.U., N.A.T.O., and the U.N.



Religious tolerance is only preached among the peaceful nations, and destruction of all other religions is taught among the anti-Christian nations. Biblical prophecy will be fulfilled. All we must do is to continue to warn mankind of its coming destruction, and convert as many as we are able to before the end.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Rev 14:12-13; Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.



If we agree to religious tolerance, promote the building of temples(to be friendly. And tolerant.) and teaching of false doctrine in our schools, neighborhoods and nation, are we then just as guilty, if one is converted to anti-Christian beliefs. Should we not speak out against the dark side of Satan, and warn all of death and hell?

Joh 8:23-24; And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. Would this verse be under the title of religious tolerance?

Joh_3:18, Joh_3:36; Pro_8:36; Mar_16:16; Act_4:12; Heb_2:3, Heb_10:26-29, Heb_12:25

The Great I Am, has delivered to us, the Scriptures in a form where-by, we as a gentile race of people can understand them. Remember that we were not, at one time a people, we as a race worshiped devils, wanting to know God but had no intercessor.





We have forgotten that we are to rebuke each other! But today we call that 'judgment'.(Amen.) When we speak out against the anti-Christian behavior in Christians, as we were directed to, they do call it judgment. The church, as it gets older will start and is turning away from the principles of Christ. This cannot be avoided, its Biblical prophecy. We will continue to see this falling away until the rapture and the coming of the Anti-Christ.

Since I never met either of these two, I can only go by what I have read and heard about them.

I'm of the opinion that Jimmy J. started out as most preachers do; However, somewhere along the line, he became "boastful" and "proud".

In short, he's a good example of WHY we must seek to walk daily with God; and continue to associate with like believers.

Satan was able to lead Jimmy J. astray, via the same basic deception he used on Eve.

He told Eve she could have her eyes opened, and become like God.

Jimmy was (mis)lead to believe that he no longer needed the bible, because "he already knew everything he needed to know."

This was to be his downfall.

It would be easy for each of us to point a finger and shake our head, (or whatever one wishes to call it); but the Word of God tells us that we are to be constantly on our guard, knowing that we too are capable of falling.

From what I've heard about David C., I really doubt that he ever really knew the Lord. That's something that only he and the Lord knows for sure.

If what I have heard about him is true, then he knowingly twisted the words of God for his own selfish purposes.

Christians are basically religously tolerant of other religions here in America. We understand what America is about, and the freedom which has been paid for with a precious gem, our fellos Americans throughout this countries history. Funny thing though, these Americans who are other than christian, whom these same men and women have given their lives for, seem not to show the same religious tolerance of the christians.



Religious tolerence, often a term used by one polititical sect to feel good and fair about themselves. Religious tolerance used by another political sect for what it means....tolerant of others belief system with the understanding they are here in America to be able to express their beliefs without fear of persecution or death...

Any guesses which is which? but this is not a debate on politically correct religious tolerance. I just thought I'd throw this into the mix.....



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Regarding God in government, Romans 13 speaks of this. This has been the country others who are persecuted flee to. It has been in the past, a free nation, with the laws set in place to protect our freedoms, not to protect the governments control. Again, a political sect seems to want bigger government with more control, and more suppression of freedom.

Regardless, Romans 13 speaks about Gods influence of government. I think at some point, we have to accept the fact that god is in control. This is His world, and we are on His course. What do you all think about the trust we place in God concerning this matter? And regardless of who "seems" to be running the country, is it not ultimately God tending to it? Should we not do what we can to support God to this worlds end? And if that be the case, how do we support it?



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To all; what is your opinion of 1Ti 4:1, this concerning the great falling away, what is the reason for this, what will and is causeing it, is religious tollerance a part of it? I want to know your opinion so I can compare. Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Rev. Smith:

I think that we are in that time of the Great Falling away!!

I believe it is the beginning of the Harvest time and the 'Tares' are being seperated from the 'wheat'!

I think that since our creation, man has been asking the same two questions. Why am I here? and How can I find Immortality. we have gone in every direction and left no stone unturned in that search, and like so many other things in life, we have made it soooo much more difficult and complicated than it really is.

We are here to decide whom we are to serve in eternity! And as for Eternal life! Everyone has eternal life! We will all live forever! It's just a matter of where, and that will take us back to the first question.



It's a question of our own choosing! Yahweh calls us all, How do we answer Him? Lukewarm or Cold is definetly the WRONG answer!