http://www.praize.com/forums/ en-us no-reply@praize.com Fri, 24 May 2013 07:28:00 GMT Gossamer Forum by Gossamer Threads, Inc. http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification http://www.praize.com/forum/icons/gforum-logo.png http://www.praize.com/forums/ 50 50 http://www.praize.com/forums/Apologetics_C2/Christian_Debates_F17/Re%3A_%5Bevangelist-1%5D_30_Scriptural_warnings_to_Christians_about_losing_eternal_life!_P119380/?page=unread#119380 I don't see anything to debate. (Of course, I am not a debater to begin with.) lol Blessings ~ Sarah 31e54d71435222cd3bc2aa55a7f48bea May 23, 2013, 8:31 PM http://www.praize.com/forums/Bible__C4/Bible_Translations_F59/Re%3A_%5BProbiblos1948%5D_KJV_onlyism%3A_The_Great_Divider_P119379/?page=unread#119379 Probiblos: RSV is my preferred version. All the literary power and accuracy of the KJV without the confusing, arcane and outmoded vocabulary. (A good translation made better). My least preferred versions are The New World Translation and The Living Bible. One being much too word for word literal and pedantic, the other for being too paraphrased. Both for being regurgitated and theologically biased. Regards Chris. 43e27b56cbece1dd4288820a787cad43 May 23, 2013, 2:33 PM http://www.praize.com/forums/Apologetics_C2/Christian_Debates_F17/Re%3A_%5Bpraizeop2%5D_30_Scriptural_warnings_to_Christians_about_losing_eternal_life!_P119378/?page=unread#119378 My point is ... There are at least 30 Scriptural warnings to Christians about losing eternal life! I was expecting someone to agree, or to debate this (which is what I expected). But, no cigar! 32bba78d37cecb289229aca9791f4920 May 23, 2013, 1:17 PM http://www.praize.com/forums/Bible__C4/Bible_Translations_F59/Re%3A_%5BRay_McIntyre%5D_KJV_onlyism%3A_The_Great_Divider_P119377/?page=unread#119377 Version Information The Revised Standard Version of the Bible (RSV) is an authorized revision of the American Standard Version, published in 1901, which was a revision of the King James Version, published in 1611. The King James Version has with good reason been termed "the noblest monument of English prose." Its revisers in 1881 expressed admiration for "its simplicity, its dignity, its power, its happy turns of expression … the music of it cadences, and the felicities of its rhythm." It entered, as no other book has, into the making of the personal character and the public institutions of the English-speaking peoples. The Revised Standard Version of the Bible, containing the Old and New Testaments, was published on September 30, 1952, and has met with wide acceptance. The Revised Standard Version Bible seeks to preserve all that is best in the English Bible as it has been known and used through the years. It is intended for use in public and private worship, not merely for reading and instruction. We have resisted the temptation to use phrases that are merely current usage, and have sought to put the message of the Bible in simple, enduring words that are worthy to stand in the great Tyndale-King James tradition. We are glad to say, with the King James translators: "Truly (good Christian Reader) we never thought from the beginning, that we should need to make a new Translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one … but to make a good one better." …Abridged from Preface to the Revised Standard Version (1971, on the occasion of the second edition of the New Testament). The complete preface is available here . 762d4ed66efdefa81e8c5545669bac0a May 23, 2013, 11:25 AM http://www.praize.com/forums/Apologetics_C2/Christian_Debates_F17/Re%3A_%5Bevangelist-1%5D_30_Scriptural_warnings_to_Christians_about_losing_eternal_life!_P119376/?page=unread#119376 And your point is??? ;) After all, you posted in a Debates forum. Blessings ~ Sarah 37e72c50ba88749f3e01bead126253f6 May 23, 2013, 10:32 AM http://www.praize.com/forums/Apologetics_C2/Christian_Debates_F17/30_Scriptural_warnings_to_Christians_about_losing_eternal_life!_P119375/?page=unread#119375 Matt 6:15 • Forgive men’s sins against you, or God will not forgive your sins against Him. Matt 10:39 • He who loses his old sinful life for Jesus sake will find eternal life. Matt 13:3-8,18-23 • 2 examples of coming to life, and then returning to the lost state. Matt 16:24-26 • Deny (lose) your old sinful life and follow Jesus to find eternal life. Matt 18:21-35 • Not forgiving others causes God to revoke His forgiving us. Mark 11:25-26 • If you do not forgive everyone, Father God will not forgive your sins. John 12:25 • He who hates his life in this world will keep his life for eternity. Rom 8:13 • Follow the Spirit and put to death the works of the flesh to gain eternal life. Rom 11:20-22 • By faith, continue in God’s goodness & fear, otherwise you will be cut off. 1 Cor 6:9-10 • People committing these sins will not inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Cor 15:2 • You are saved, if you hold fast to the word, unless you believed in vain. 2 Cor 7:10 • Godly sorrow leads Christians to repent, leading to salvation. 2 Cor 13:5 • Examine yourself to see if you are in the faith, unless you are disqualified. Gal 5:1-4 • It is possible for a Christian to be estranged from Christ and fall from grace. Gal 5:19-21 • Believers who practice such sins will not inherit the kingdom of God. Gal 6:7-8 • Sowing to the flesh reaps corruption; sowing to the Spirit reaps eternal life. Eph 5:3-6 • Disobedient believers committing such sins will incur the wrath of God. Col 3:5-6 • Disobedient believers committing such sins will incur the wrath of God. 1 Tim 5:11-12 • Some believers are condemed because they have cast off their first faith. Heb 2:1-4 • How shall we escape, if we drift away and neglect so great a salvation? Heb 3:14 • Partakers of Christ hold the beginning of their confidence steadfast to the end. Heb 6:4-8 • Those partakers of the Holy Spirit who fall away will be rejected and burned. Heb 10:26-27 • Believers who sin willfully can expect God’s fiery judgment. Heb 10:36-39 • Endure in the faith, and do not be like those who draw back to perdition. Heb 12:14 • Pursue holiness, without which no one will see the Lord. 1 Pet 1:8-9 • Believing, you will receive the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls. 2 Pet 1:10-11 • Be diligent to make your call and election sure, gaining the kingdom. 2 Pet 2:20-22 • A believer who returns to his sins is worse off than he was before. Rev 2-3 • All 7 churches are warned to repent and be overcomers to be: given the crown of life, clothed in white garments, a pillar in the temple of God, not hurt by the second death, etc. Rev 21:7-8 • People committing these sins will go into the lake of fire (the second death). Rev 21:27 • People committing these sins will not enter the New Jerusalem. Rev 22:14-15 • People committing these sins will not enter the New Jerusalem. Romans (the 6th NT book), chapter 6, verse 6 “… our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.” 21c22b521e63701e7607fad59a00c0d0 May 22, 2013, 5:53 PM http://www.praize.com/forums/Apologetics_C2/Christian_Debates_F17/Re%3A_%5Bchaplainbob%5D_Are_all_born-again_Christians_part_of_God%92s_elect%3F_P119374/?page=unread#119374 I have kind of a different thought on this scripture. I wonder if the "drawing" that the Lord does isn't during a particular period of time in a person's live when he/she is ready and open to Jesus knocking at the door. It seems that it would be a huge waste of time and effort for the Lord to be "drawing" when a person is happy in his sin. Usually people come when they reach the bottom of themselves. So, to me, it isn't so much WHOM He draws, but when. Blessings ~ Sarah 7305aeb72c81bf56df4bd70183fb67de May 22, 2013, 5:34 PM http://www.praize.com/forums/People_C21/Kids_C54/Friends_C69/Pen-Pals_F198/Re%3A_%5Bkaribush%5D_I_would_like_a_christian_penpal_P119373/?page=unread#119373 I would love tto be your pen pal email at edited by PraizeOP2 thanks. Karibush, I have edited your post for your protection. If someone wants to be your penpal, they can contact you through Praize. cebc492df91b47cce77b713045a25ef6 May 22, 2013, 5:10 PM http://www.praize.com/forums/Apologetics_C2/Christian_Debates_F17/Re%3A_%5Bsojourner%5D_Are_all_born-again_Christians_part_of_God%92s_elect%3F_P119372/?page=unread#119372 God (the Holy Spirit) draws everyone to Him. Some choose to accept the "invitation" some do not. 2c91edb1e38ee41fd6369847cae29d6f May 22, 2013, 4:47 AM http://www.praize.com/forums/Apologetics_C2/Christian_Debates_F17/Re%3A_%5Bchaplainbob%5D_Are_all_born-again_Christians_part_of_God%92s_elect%3F_P119371/?page=unread#119371 chaplainbob wrote: God saves those who choose to turn to Him." And....WHO 'chooses' to turn to Him? Quote: Quote:" Joh_6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. Joh_6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." Seems to me...that no one can even 'choose' to 'turn to Him'.....UNLESS the Father 'draw' (Greek..meaning literally to drag) him. Quote: Quote:"He does not choose to save certain people and let others go to Hell." Seems to me you're playing a semantic word game here. IF one CAN'T come to Him unless the Father draw/drag him, then obviously the Father makes a conscious choice as to just WHO He 'draws' to Jesus, doesn't He? Quote: Quote:"If that were the case then Jesus was in error in giving the great commission." Not really.....since HE knows who will come to Him (ALL those who the Father has given to Him), but WE DO NOT, hence the 'commission'....to preach the gospel. Blessings, 2ab429e71db107ffb4db4bf99238a14f May 20, 2013, 8:36 PM http://www.praize.com/forums/Prayer_C24/Prayer_Requests_F100/Re%3A_%5BProbiblos1948%5D_Friend's_son_in_a_coma_P119370/?page=unread#119370 God is a god of miracles and answered prayer! We give Him ALL the praise and ALL the glory! In Jesus' Name, amen. Blessings ~ Sarah afdb75dd69ac7e1c51871508dbe4c5e0 May 20, 2013, 12:51 PM http://www.praize.com/forums/Prayer_C24/Prayer_Requests_F100/Re%3A_%5BProbiblos1948%5D_Friend's_son_in_a_coma_P119369/?page=unread#119369 God is SOOOOOOOOOOOO good! ff83c157a62af09daff0db94bc55c86c May 19, 2013, 3:30 PM http://www.praize.com/forums/Prayer_C24/Prayer_Requests_F100/Re%3A_%5Bpraizeop2%5D_Friend's_son_in_a_coma_P119368/?page=unread#119368 Jake is now at home and is doing well. His mother has someone checking in with him several times each week. Thank everyone for your prayers and, thank God for His goodness. b9039a89dfdf2cabda7f133cd43d74cb May 19, 2013, 2:55 AM http://www.praize.com/forums/Bible__C4/Bible_Translations_F59/Re%3A_%5BStratfan%5D_KJV_onlyism%3A_The_Great_Divider_P119367/?page=unread#119367 Concerning the New Living Translation, read the following: The goal of any Bible translation is to convey the meaning of the ancient Hebrew and Greek texts as accurately as possible to the modern reader. The New Living Translation is based on the most recent scholarship in the theory of translation. The challenge for the translators was to create a text that would make the same impact in the life of modern readers that the original text had for the original readers. In the New Living Translation, this is accomplished by translating entire thoughts (rather than just words) into natural, everyday English. The end result is a translation that is easy to read and understand and that accurately communicates the meaning of the original text. In reality, The New Living Translation is an extensive revision of Ken Taylor's Living Bible (published by Tyndale House in 1971). It was designed to improve the accuracy of Taylor's paraphrase. c2c98536e07b37d206237423a15056fb May 18, 2013, 11:21 AM http://www.praize.com/forums/Bible__C4/Bible_Translations_F59/Re%3A_%5BProbiblos1948%5D_Interpretating_the_Bible_P119366/?page=unread#119366 Question: What are the goals of hermeneutics? There are three basic goals: 1. To understand the message God has given us. 2. To avoid mistakes and errors about what the Bible teaches. 3. To properly apply the Word of God to our lives. Questin: What factors should we be aware of that might influence our interpretation? I have a list of 18 things to be aware of: 1. Your denomination's history or tradition. 2. Things you hold as values outside of the Bible. 3. Your personal theology. 4. Your race. 5. Your gender, male or female? 6. Your place or position in society. 7. Your education 8. The priorities of the community you live in. 9. Your political views 10. Your political associations. 11. Your exposure to the Bible. 12. The Bible translation you use. 13. Your use of other tools in studying the Bible. 14. Past preaching you have heard. 15. Your attitude towards Bible scholarship. 16. Family influences. 17. Things you have been through in life. 18. Your spirituality and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Feel free to add to those things and/or to question them as you wish. e3b6d6722d72bbd3fa88af48d8572394 May 18, 2013, 10:55 AM http://www.praize.com/forums/Bible__C4/Bible_Translations_F59/Re%3A_%5Bpraizeop2%5D_Interpretating_the_Bible_P119365/?page=unread#119365 Thank you Sarah. Prat with me that the Lord will show me where to use it best for His glory. de8baedc9bcbec69b8993d3a0c7e92cf May 17, 2013, 5:40 PM http://www.praize.com/forums/General_C76/General_Topics_F74/Re%3A_%5BNannrs%5D_How_do_we_know_if_something_is_God's_Will_P119364/?page=unread#119364 John 4:34 says, Jesus said unto them, My me is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work. John 5:30, says ,I can of mine own self do nothing : as I hear, I judge in my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me . John 6:38 says ,For. I came down from heaven ,, not to do mine own will , but the will of him that sent me . God has purpose and a plan for each one of us . . God bless . Pastor Fred Wilson 30077672732f6fe263003dd496f00121 May 17, 2013, 6:50 AM http://www.praize.com/forums/Bible__C4/Bible_Translations_F59/Re%3A_%5Brdrcofe%5D_Interpretating_the_Bible_P119363/?page=unread#119363 The question then is, to what extent was the situation imposed upon them by men , rather than it actually being the will of God , (scripture itself having been written down entirely by scribes of the male gender). It very possibly could be that if we are going to discuss the role of women in the church, we should start another thread. Perhaps Sarah can yell us if there is one started somewhere. I don't know of one ay this time. On the other hand, Why did God choose to use men to put His Word into writing? It was, after all, His choice and, I would say that Paul's words, "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." is the answer. God never changes? That may be true of God, but it is certainly not true of human society, or do you hanker after the good old days when you would have legitimately held the power of life and death over your slaves, and The Bible would have backed you up in it. Things sometimes change for the better, they don't universally and irrevocably change ' for the worse '. Human society definitely changes but, it is always heading in a direction contrary to God. Here, Gay marriage is gaining ground rapidly and, it is clear from Scripture that we in the church can not accept it as valid. There are many things in society that need to be rejected. Women pastors i s one of them. It began with the feminist movement. John MacArthur states it quite well, "It is amazing to me that it all began with a sort of self-justifying effort on the part of a group of lesbians who wanted to have their day in the sun and gave birth to the modern feminist movement. Feminism rises out of sinful perversion and yet in spite of its origin it has found its way into the culture of our society in almost every area and even lately into the church. " Since I really didn't get an answer, What is your opinion of the Textus Receptus (Received Text) upon which the KJV was based? My information and research says, Textus Receptus ( Latin : " received text ") is the name retroactively given to the succession of printed Greek language texts of the New Testament which constituted the textual base for the original German Luther Bible , for the translation of the New Testament into English by William Tyndale (1526), Myles Coverdale 's Bible ( 1535 ), Matthew's Bible ( 1537 ), The Great Bible ( 1539 ), The Geneva Bible ( 1557 - 60 ), The Bishops' Bible ( 1568 ), and the King James Version ( 1611 ), and for most other Reformation -era New Testament translations throughout Western and Central Europe. The Textus Receptus has been translated into hundreds of languages. (See Also The Word of God for All Nations ) The origin of the term " Textus Receptus " comes from the publisher's preface to the 1633 edition produced by Abraham Elzevir and his nephew Bonaventure who were printers at Leiden: Note that it was used to translate the KJV. Also interesting is Textus Receptus type manuscripts and versions have existed as the majority of texts for almost 2000 years. * All of the Apostolic Churches used the Textus Receptus * Peshitta ( 150 A.D. ) was based on the Textus Receptus * Papyrus 66 used the Textus Receptus * The Italic Church in the Northern Italy ( 157 A.D. ) used the Textus Receptus * The Gallic Church of Southern France ( 177 A.D. ) used the Textus Receptus * The Celtic Church used the Textus Receptus * The Waldensians used the Textus Receptus * The Gothic Version of the 4th or 5th century used the Textus Receptus * Curetonian Syriac is basically the Textus Receptus * Vetus Itala is from Textus Receptus * Codex Washingtonianus of Matthew used the Textus Receptus * Codex Alexandrinus in the Gospels used the Textus Receptus * The vast majority of extant New Testament manuscripts all used the Textus Receptus (99% of them) * The Greek Orthodox Church used the Textus Receptus . Greek manuscript evidences point to a Byzantine/Textus Receptus majority. * 85% of papyri used Textus Receptus , only 13 represent text of Westcott-Hort * 97% of uncial manuscripts used Textus Receptus , only 9 manuscripts used text of WH * 99% of minuscule manuscripts used Textus Receptus , only 23 used text WH * 100% of lectionaries used Textus Receptus . I would be surprised and delighted if I were to learn that you accept scripture may have more than a single ‘meaning’. I am aware that there are sometimes double meanings within Scripture. A prophecy, for example, may have a current and a future fulfillment as well. The more common thing is for it to have multiple applications. A principle given in a passage could apply to several different circumstances or situations. Take care and, God bless, Allen 43bfa829de2f124cf48fd3b2207143e9 May 16, 2013, 9:39 AM http://www.praize.com/forums/Bible__C4/Bible_Translations_F59/Re%3A_%5BProbiblos1948%5D_Interpretating_the_Bible_P119362/?page=unread#119362 Congratulations, Allen! We here on Praize are very proud of you. May God abundantly bless you for your diligence in getting your degree at this time of your life. (((((((((((Allen)))))))))) Blessings ~ Sarah 4ae9dc40fe7b20ad7ad4d8fa44d8ec43 May 16, 2013, 8:50 AM http://www.praize.com/forums/Bible__C4/Bible_Translations_F59/Re%3A_%5Brdrcofe%5D_Interpretating_the_Bible_P119361/?page=unread#119361 Awesome, Chris! I am enjoying your teachng. I did not realize that the man was supposed to be condemned also. Yeah!!! :) Blessings ~ Sarah d7c8c1287c9ba9e24c5a61bd5ffae83a May 16, 2013, 8:46 AM