Dovegiven : Jim Hi : I also am aware of the changes in meaning of many words that should be sorted by use of lexicons and other tools for greatest accuracy. Words have been added (usually in italics) intended to help the flow, but now can mask the true transliteration/interpretation) That isn't the problem I am addressing in these last two posts.
Do you mean that there is something amiss with the good old KJV. I’m astonished. My complaint is lifting one verse out of an entire context to make a doctrine, especially one that isn't supported elsewhere in the Bible.
I wasn’t aware that my mere musings constituted the establishment of a full blown doctrine
. Ah well – If I’m a heretic for believing that God understands the language of every
creature then I guess you had better get the faggots together and start building my execution pyre.
Nevertheless I cite the following verses of the infallible
KJV in my defence.
7The whole earth is at rest, and
is quiet: they break forth into singing.
8Yea, the fir trees
rejoice at thee, and
the cedars of Lebanon
, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us. Isa. 14:7
14Thus saith the Lord GOD; When
the whole earth rejoiceth, I will make thee desolate. 15As thou didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: Ezek. 35:14
1 O sing unto the LORD a new song; for he hath done marvellous things: his right hand, and his holy arm, hath gotten him the victory.
2 The LORD declared his salvation: his righteousness hath he openly showed in the sight of the heathen.
3 He hath remembered his mercy and his truth toward the house of Israel: all the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God.
4 Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all the earth: make a loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise.
5 Sing unto the LORD with the harp; with the harp, and the voice of a psalm.
6 With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King.
7 Let the sea roar
, and the fulness thereof
; the world, and they that dwell therein.
8 Let the floods
hands: let the hills
be joyful together
9 Before the LORD; for he cometh to judge the earth: with righteousness shall he judge the world, and the people with equity. Ps. 98 Out of Psalms 150 you used the last verse to include all animals in praise, while the other verses could only apply to the abilities of people.
Well, looking at Psalm 98 it would seem that ‘making a joyful noise unto the Lord
’ is by no means restricted to humans with trumpets and harps.
This includes the sea and everything in it. The floods clapping their hands and the hills rejoicing when God finally accomplishes the consummation of all the ages and establishes His
Judgment in all the earth.
For a ‘literalist’ you are not very literal
when you choose to interpret “Let everything that breathes
Praise The Lord” in such a way as to effectively exclude every breathing thing except
It strikes me that, taken literally, everthing
should by definition not exclude anything
if you were to be exegetically honest.
How ironic that I, an avowed non-literalist should believe that the entire creation will rejoice and praise God
at the end of all things and a Biblical literalist, no less, insists that only a very few human beings
will show God any
I prefer to think that the Bible says everything
will rejoice and Praise the Lord for what He has done.
The heavens declare the glory of God : and the firmament showeth his handywork.
Day unto day uttereth speech : and night unto night showeth knowledge. There is
neither speech nor language : where
their voice is not heard.
Their sound is gone out into all lands : and their words into the ends of the world. Ps 19:1
The heavens declare his righteousness, and all
the people see his glory. Ps.97:6 Job was spewing error both sides of that verse.
So are you suggesting that Job was also ‘spewing error’ in the verse between then?
6 The tents of robbers are at peace, and those who provoke God are secure, who bring their god in their hands.
Job is making the very valid point that dishonest people appear to prosper, while honest people often remain poor; that the wicked are no more prone to misfortune than are the righteous. You will find that Job’s ‘comforters
’ are the ones upbraided by God for ‘spewing error’ in all their convincing arguments against
Job’s claim that he is being unjustly punished.
9 Who among all these does not know that the hand of the LORD has done this?
You think that this is ‘spewing error’ ? Why ? Is God not almighty, omnipotent and sovereign. Do the birds, beasts and plants not (according to God’s Word the KJV Bible), “know that God has done this with His very own material hands”.
you draw the line when interpreting what you read ‘Literally’ ?
10 In his hand is the life of every living thing and the breath of every human being.
For me this poses no real problem because I do not have to take each and every
sentence of scripture as ‘literal’ truth either in practical application or in scientific analysis. I can see that poetic and spiritual 'truth' often require deeper insight than a mere reading of the words themselves will superficially reveal.
But Biblical literal Inerrantists will always have a problem knowing exactly where to draw the line, because the idea of 'Biblical Literal Inerrancy' is an invention of man
. In fact it is an 18th – 19th Century American Invention which has now become fashionable mostly in certain regions of The USA. None of that whatsoever has anything to do with praising God. Take Psalms 150 as entirely meant for people to read and heed, not chimps or salmon.
I don’t think the author of Psalm 150 intended God’s Praise to be so restricted, in agreement with Psalms 19, 97, 98 and 148.
Loosen up Jim and join the rest of everything on earth which is grateful to God.
those that seek thee
rejoice and be glad in thee: let such as love thy salvation say continually, The LORD be magnified. Ps. 40:16
Love covers a multitude of sins. 1 Pet.4:8b.