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Is The UK "Finished"?
Hello all,0

During the course of my studies, I keep coming across articles that state that the United Kingdom is finished as a free nation (surrendered to Islamic rule as a result of the 'open door' policy concerning migrants from Muslim nations.) Apparently, these migrants are entering the U K from Muslim countries, forming communities, establishing Sharia law in those communities and have even been able to elect some Muslims to political power. According to a report from CNN, Sadiq Khan was the first Muslim to be elected mayor of London. Another article I recently read had the following to say:

"Despite abundant evidence that many “child” migrants are not children at all, Labour wants more in the UK: “Abbott said Labour would end ‘family break-up through the immigration system’. The left-wing party would achieve this by allowing ‘child’ migrants to bring over family members — particularly parents — effectively turning them into beachheads for a large-scale chain migration.”
In response, Theresa May’s hopeless “Conservatives” say they’ll do essentially the same thing: “A Conservative Party spokesman told the Press Association: ‘Labour’s policy would risk breaking up families by creating a dangerous incentive for children to make the perilous journey across the Mediterranean and onto the UK on their own….That’s why we are resettling 23,000 vulnerable refugees, including children with their families, from the camps around the Middle East and North Africa.”
It won’t be long now before Britain, inundated with Muslim migrants among whom are unknowable numbers of jihadis and Sharia supremacists, collapses into chaos. As a free nation it is, of course, finished."

Some say that, in spite of President Trump's actions, America is headed the same way. At last count, there are 20 Jihadist training camps within our borders and democrats are doing all they can to divide America. Hopefully, some of you will rep;y and give me any evidence and/or suggestions you might have.

God bless you,
Allen
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AS LONG AS JESUS IS LORD AND ON HIS THRONE AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER ===THEY ARE ETERNAL

BRITIAN IS THE LOIN OF EZEKIEL AND THE US IS ONE OF THE CUBS. THERE ARE MANY IN BOTH COUNTRIES THAT WILL NOT BE IN A HEAVENLY HOME BECAUSE THEY HAVEN,T LIVED THE LIFE.


NO NEITHER BRITIAN OR THR THE US IS LOST
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Hi Allen.

There are several sites that I follow, books I have read (Mark Steyn's "America Alone" and "After America"). More recently, Douglas Murray's "Strange Death of Europe" described here:

"The Strange Death of Europe is a highly personal account of a continent and culture caught in the act of suicide. Declining birth rates, mass immigration, and cultivated self-distrust and self-hatred have come together to make Europeans unable to argue for themselves and incapable of resisting their own comprehensive alteration as a society and an eventual end."

The online news gathering site, which I read, recently offered this in an article:

"In all West European countries, ever more rigorous surveillance of people’s internet communications is urged by governments so they can be arrested, tried, and imprisoned if they tweet or post criticism of the abominable ideology. (We are still free to criticize Islam in the United States, but in almost no other Western country.) They are accused of “Islamophobia”  – an irrational fear of Islam. But it is entirely rational to fear Islam. Making non-Muslims afraid of it is a prescribed religious duty, called jihad. Jihad is holy war against all non-Muslims."

The site has also recently highlighted an article from various other places and is entitled "A Safe Space for Allah."

This site is The Atheist Conservative, but the url is only for this article and may be worthwhile reading by any who are interested.

I hear the same message that Europe and the UK are seemingly choosing to allow their heritage and legacy of Western Civilization to continually be diminished from Pat Condell in his video blog, which can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell

Those who refuse to be politically correct and dare to speak out against the Islamification of their own countries are stifled one way or another.

But...as with our country, not all of the UK is affected and many might not even be aware of what is happening.

-Jeanne
"The Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient."

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jeanne53: Feb 27, 2018, 10:54 AM
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Isn't that sad? People in this country think they know what is going on here, but mostly they really don't. Some are like me and have a slight idea of what is happening, but many don't even know what I know. We are a bunch of ignorant people! I don't think the rest of the world is any different. The only difference about me is that I have a medium to protest if I want to.

The only reason I can see for wanting a long life is simply my curiosity of future developments. But even as my curiosity is great on that side, so is my fear! LOL And I'm not sure I want to live through what is down the road for this country. So I guess it is a good thing that it is God's option and not mine for how long I live! :) And also His for HOW I live! I'm SO glad I was born in this country. And every time I get upset with us and what is going on here, I only have to be reminded of what is going on in other countries to appreciate what I have.
Blessings ~ Sarah
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Greetings my friend,

I must apologize for the title of this thread. It is misleading to say the least. I corrected it in the post itself but, apparently, that wasn't enough. The question is, "Is the U.K. finished as a free nation." It appears that the freedom once enjoyed by Britain (and the United States) is currently being lost to Muslim control.
As for your post, Can you give me some Bible references please. I have heard of the lion and cub of Ezekiel but can't remember where it is found.

God bless,
Allen
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Hi Allen.

The truth is that the US has been continuing down a path that leads to greater restrictions on our liberty, but it has very little to do with Islam. The Leftists in this country, which have gone by different names; Progressives, Liberals, and again Progressives and now Socialists, most of whom are to be found in the Democrat party and who are at heart actually Marxists, have been curtailing our rights as defined by our Constitution and within our Bill of Rights for more than a century.

The Communist Party vowed to gain control of our nation without typical warfare and would destroy our culture and our government from within. To quote the monster, Stalin, "If we can destroy Patriotism, Morality and Spiritual Life, America will collapse from within." Fueled recently by the teachings of Saul Alinsky, such Leftists/Statists as Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama have advanced the patient Marxists Agenda so that we are now counted among those nations whose citizens actually have fewer freedoms than some other nations, which seems counterintuitive given that we tout our liberties/freedoms so often.

It is their agenda that uses Identity Politics, creates the Victim Class and seeks to use those to further undermine our Constitution and individual liberty. Islam is merely their pawn in that game...but the Islamists game is even more long-sighted and patient than the Marxists and they are prepared to use Mohammed's instructions instead of Alinsky's. Death and violence instead of patient progressive nudges working within the system, although they use that too, but in the final analysis it is their Holy Jihad that demands submission or death to infidels. Islam has as its goal a Global Caliphate and it has Allah directing a fanatical game of blood and chaos to bring about His will.

Add to that, the breeding habits of Islamist men, who are allowed multiple wives and Islam grows exponentially on its own. It is aided by idiots, who believe that they must be tolerant toward any religion except Christianity and believe that the American culture is no more special or effective than any other, even "shit-house" nations. They know that is not true, but these sorts of notions fit their agenda and further the narrative that America is actually an evil nation with an evil history and must pay for all their crimes against other nations and other ethnicities forever and ever, even though no other nation is held to this standard.

I do not think we will go lightly down a path of total submission to either the Marxists or Islamists. We are too big and too diverse and have that arrogant and stubborn insistence of individual liberty. When over half of voters chose Trump and he won the Electoral College, it was a message that our country was not willing to continue down that self-destructive path. Whether God is on his side and the side of liberty-loving Americans (those pain in the butt common people) or not, I think there are more of us than of them and that those who are awaken will not be lulled back into apathy.

I hope...

-Jeanne
"The Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient."
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Hi Sarah.

Our voting record is poor. Our apathy level is high. Our public schools and universities produce young people mostly disconnected from history and our legacy of hard work and personal responsibility. Indoctrination is extreme in many schools and parents are either dismissed as non-professionals or are limited by their lack of time or of desire to parent.

All media, with few exceptions, promote ideas that are inconsistent with American principles and often with ethical/moral principles. As well, do most media and the all-important Hollywood and Pro-Sports elite promote the same. So...we have people who use their power to further the PC talking points of Marxists and other leftist organizations despite their not knowing of which they speak. Ignorant is the correct term. Useful idiots is another one.

All the while, most common people, the ones who make this country run, find they have little time to be so PC or involved in political movements but who "spoke" nationally during the rise of the Tea Party and who "spoke" again with the election of Trump over Clinton.

Hang around just to see where we are going. I agree that America is still the place to live and so do many others, which is why people are wishing to immigrate here. There is still the opportunity to try, fail, try again and maybe succeed. We do not stone women. We do not throw homosexuals off roofs. We do not cut off people's heads. We do not live in fear of drug lords or of over-bearing government interventions in our lives ...for the most part. We are a very wealthy country in our natural resources and we have the best form of government under our Constitution and Bill of Rights...so far, and must struggle harder to keep it.

If Europe falls, ours will be the best, last hope of Western Civilization, which has through promoting democracy and private ownership and the free market (even a flawed one) lifted many nations in the world out of abysmal poverty and corrupt situations. The world is better than it was a century ago because of Western Civilization. Many countries would have been far better off continuing what was set up by Western nations, such as Great Briton and the USA, instead of devolving into dictatorship and a form of Marxism or Theocracy, which filled the void left when independence was gained.

-Jeanne
"The Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient."
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Greetings, Jeanne
You had me at your first paragraph:
Our voting record is poor. Our apathy level is high. Our public schools and universities produce young people mostly disconnected from history and our legacy of hard work and personal responsibility. Indoctrination is extreme in many schools and parents are either dismissed as non-professionals or are limited by their lack of time or of desire to parent.
My first book, For Love of Liberty, describes a mid-west town seeking to close the public schools to stop the leftist indoctrination.
In your second paragraph had me wondering where you thought the American ethical/moral principles came from?
All media, with few exceptions, promote ideas that are inconsistent with American principles and often with ethical/moral principles. As well, do most media and the all-important Hollywood and Pro-Sports elite promote the same. So...we have people who use their power to further the PC talking points of Marxists and other leftist organizations despite their not knowing of which they speak. Ignorant is the correct term. Useful idiots is another one.
I can relate to being one of the common people, but both the Tea Party & Trump are no match for the globalists who only have 2 more countries to conquer through bondage to the central banking system - North Korea & Venezuela:
All the while, most common people, the ones who make this country run, find they have little time to be so PC or involved in political movements but who "spoke" nationally during the rise of the Tea Party and who "spoke" again with the election of Trump over Clinton.
You are absolutely right that the United States of America (not Canada or Mexico or South America) is still the place to live. The problem is that the government is way past being 'over-bearing' since are cell phones track everything we say and every where we go - plus the total tax on everything we buy is about 72%!
Hang around just to see where we are going. I agree that America is still the place to live and so do many others, which is why people are wishing to immigrate here. There is still the opportunity to try, fail, try again and maybe succeed. We do not stone women. We do not throw homosexuals off roofs. We do not cut off people's heads. We do not live in fear of drug lords or of over-bearing government interventions in our lives ...for the most part. We are a very wealthy country in our natural resources and we have the best form of government under our Constitution and Bill of Rights...so far, and must struggle harder to keep it.
I recently read a great book by Eric Metaxas - 'If You Can Keep It' whose title is from a quote from Benjamin Franklin leaving the Constitutional Convention.
I was also agreeing with your last paragraph except for the common mistake that the U.S. is a democracy (or mob-rule) when the founding fathers were careful to form a nation ruled by law as a Republic. And you really lost me when you included Theocracy in the same class as a dictatorship or Marxism/Communism. Yes there have been many men who have claimed to be god but without the grace of a Divine Creator who has shown mercy to those who follow His commandment to love one another as He has loved us and to do unto others as we want them to do unto us, the whole world would be hell on earth.
If Europe falls, ours will be the best, last hope of Western Civilization, which has through promoting democracy and private ownership and the free market (even a flawed one) lifted many nations in the world out of abysmal poverty and corrupt situations. The world is better than it was a century ago because of Western Civilization. Many countries would have been far better off continuing what was set up by Western nations, such as Great Briton and the USA, instead of devolving into dictatorship and a form of Marxism or Theocracy, which filled the void left when independence was gained.
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Hi Jim.

I didn't realize that you were the author of "For Love of Liberty." Congratulations on actually writing novels and not just planning to write novels. Smile

When I wrote this:

<<If Europe falls, ours will be the best, last hope of Western Civilization, which has through promoting democracy and private ownership and the free market (even a flawed one) lifted many nations in the world out of abysmal poverty and corrupt situations. The world is better than it was a century ago because of Western Civilization.>>

I did not mean that the US was a democracy, but that we promoted that sort of government over dictatorship or theocracies or oligarchies in countries that we were attempting to help to freedom. Ours is a Constitutional Representative Republic, but we cannot set up the same sort of government in other countries and expect it to flourish, because many aspects of our history had to come into play during The Enlightenment and the timing and inspiration and human effort cannot be reproduced through the wishes of the US into action in these countries...a form of Democracy with free elections is the best that we can hope for.

As for Theocracies; "a system of government in which priests rule in the name of God or a god" well it doesn't actually require the presence of God or any gods for humans to set up a government that they claim is in the deity's name with law sanctioned only through the holy texts gained though divine interaction with such an entity. Humans rule and use the power granted them by the followers of the religion surrounding that deity belief. Of course, then they gain their own power through totally secular means to control the people. These are still dictatorships or oligarchies, even if they pretend to offer some sort of electoral process.

Jim, you write:

<<I can relate to being one of the common people, but both the Tea Party & Trump are no match for the globalists who only have 2 more countries to conquer through bondage to the central banking system - North Korea & Venezuela: >>

You are going to have to explain this to me. You mean something like is found on this site?

http://www.globalistagenda.org/finance.htm

We are in dark territory here, which I have read and heard of but not truly studied and which may be way beyond how far I wish to go in order to keep my "common" life as simple as I can. We could take the Home Page of the Globalist Agenda site and start a whole new topic going page after page and deeper and deeper into this territory. There may be a sort of truth to it or it may be a giant conspiracy theory.

If you are interested, maybe Chris and Allen will join us.

-Jeanne
"The Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient."
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Good post Jeanne and one full of truth and things to give serious thought to. Our Constitution has been trampled on by liberals for years and, you are quite right, the Marxists are patiently waiting for this country (or, 'the Big Satan' as the Islamists would say) to fall flat on it's face. I fully believe that Trump is the man of the hour right now. He is sincerely trying to turn the country around and put it back on the right course.
Islam is the biggest danger we face right now. The terrorist attacks, school shootings etc. are dividing the country and throwing fear into children and adults as well. Global supremacy is their goal and they honestly feel that Allah will reward them for dying in his name. They will be rewarded alright. Allah is not the God of Creation. He is a demon leading them straight down the road to an eternity in Hell. The covenant God made with Abraham says, "And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed..." (Genesis 12:3) Do some research about the 'grooming gangs' in the U. K. and remember that some 1500+ women were raped (also some boys) by them in Germany. It was Germany that last tried to exterminate the Jews. Now, that nation is suffering the consequences.
I was talking to my wife this morning about the same subject. Those gangs might get away with a rape or so here in the South but, then the Southern Rednecks would come out of the woodwork. Every member of her family carries a gun. Personally, I took an oath to protect this country against all enemies both foreign and domestic and plan to live up to that oath. I may be disabled but, I can still fire my gun and shoot my target if necessary. That is a lesson the U.K. needs to learn.
You cannot reason or change Islamic Jihadists. You can either submit to their control or die. The authorities in the country need to arm the citizens. That will stop the gangs and the Jihadists. Gun control simply takes the weapons away from law abiding citizens. It does no good.
Again, thanks for the post,
Blessings to you,
Allen
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Hi Allen.

I understand the feeling that regular citizens should not stand by and let jihad in any form run amok in our country....but, we must not take our law into our own hands.

I do believe that the US will be a much harder nut to crack for a number of reasons and I do think that if worse comes to worst, the community militias will not allow chaos to ensue...but we are far from that.

Suffice it to say that any militant Islamist terrorist, be they lone wolves or gangs, should take pause because of our Second Amendment and by the fact that most neighborhoods do have armed militias, even if they are not organized as such. Still...any who decide to take the law into their own hands and retaliate against those who would harm members of a community must be prepared to face our law themselves.

There are more of us, who stand with the idea that we should protect our country, secure its boundaries, vet those who seek to immigrate and limit or deny immigration from other nations that promote Islamism and consider America first.

-Jeanne
"The Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient."
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Hello Jeanne,

Let's start with the last statement of your post. It will put a proper perspective on my thoughts and statements. You said

There are more of us, who stand with the idea that we should protect our country, secure its boundaries, vet those who seek to immigrate and limit or deny immigration from other nations that promote Islamism and consider America first.

I am all in favor of that. I especially like the part about 'consider America first.' That is exactly how I feel. But, consider the following:

I understand the feeling that regular citizens should not stand by and let jihad in any form run amok in our country....but, we must not take our law into our own hands.

Have you ever seen the movie Red Dawn? If you have you will understand that this was an attack on American soil and that a group of young people 'took the law into their hands' to defend the country. That is exactly what I am speaking about doing. If (or when) Jihadists begin an open attack here in Jacksonville, it is my duty to protect my wife and family as well as my country. Please also remember that, like it or not, we are already at war with the so-called extreme Muslims. (My personal view is that any Muslim who actually follows the Koran is a Jihadist at heart).

Suffice it to say that any militant Islamist terrorist, be they lone wolves or gangs, should take pause because of our Second Amendment and by the fact that most neighborhoods do have armed militias, even if they are not organized as such.

I am aware of the Neighborhood Watch in this area but not of a militia. If there is one, my disabilities would prevent me from joining. That would not remove my responsibility to protect my family and country though.
You should also recognize that under the Koran and Sharia law it is OK for Muslims to deceive us 'infidels' )unbelievers. They can proclaim loyalty to our constitution but be preparing to take over the country by any means possible. I plan to be prepared to prevent that from happening.

Still...any who decide to take the law into their own hands and retaliate against those who would harm members of a community must be prepared to face our law themselves.

Let me rephrase your statement some, "Those who decide to defend themselves and their community against domestic enemy attacks should be prepared to face the consequences." I am prepared for that but also aware that self defense is legal in this country. It is up to our government to prevent the need for that measure to be taken.

Blessings to you,
Allen

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Hi Allen.

You are preaching to the choir.

There is no place in this country...yet...where "militias" have any right to enter into a community war against Islamists and they would rightly face prosecution under the laws of the land if they did.

"Red Dawn" and "America" and "The Day After" are fictional stories about full-fledged invasions of our homeland. This is not anywhere near the same thing we currently face with Islamists. Not that we and all our government entities should not be fully aware of a non-violent war being waged upon us via our court system and those who would have open borders, as well as, the violence being done in the name of Islam. Our courts should not only prosecute to the fullest those who committed terrorist acts against us, but should swiftly deport the family of the perpetrators, close the Mosque if it is found to be a place that promotes such acts and deport the Imans and their family.

You are correct when you state that it is a responsibility of each citizen to fight against those who would take our country from us, but we aren't there yet, either.

Until that day, any citizen who acts as a vigilante against a jihadist bent of chaos must act within the law or face prosecution before our courts, even as the jihadist does. It is not any different than a citizen acting as a vigilante to kill his child's abductor or his spouse's murderer.

Those who would strengthen our immigration laws, secure our borders and destroy any chance Sharia Law would have in our country, must act within our laws to do so. We have a good beginning, but Conservative also have a tendency to stop squeaking and go back to complacency when they think somebody else is taking care of business. We need to keep squeaking.

-Jeanne
"The Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient."
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Good post Jeanne and one that I will agree with. As you say, "We are not there yet." For now, the court system is the answer to deal with our problems but, we cannot allow Sharia courts to hold the trial. My research shows that has been the case with the U.K. and is creating more difficulties than it is solving problems.

Blessings,
Allen
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Hi Allen.

From what I have read and listened to, the UK has allowed Sharia Courts to handle cases involving Muslims, especially in the Islamist enclaves. I can't believe that they have been so foolish to do so, but much of Europe seems to bend over backwards to the breaking point to appease the multiculturalists, to avoid being slandered as politically incorrect, as hate-mongers, as Islamiphobes, as Nazis...as well as, to avoid angering their Islamist "refugees." And...recently to avoid being fined, losing a job or elected position, having their homes and families targeted by idiot citizens or insulted Islamists.

Did you get a chance to view either of those video blogs or podcasts or whatever they are called?

Many conservative sites lay the blame directly upon the "feminist" governments, whose sense of reality is already off course and heavily tilted towards moving as far away as possible from the evil Western Civilization forced upon half the globe by the worst of the worst of us...those truly evil and tyrannical White Males.

Is this all in alignment with The Globalist Agenda, as Jim (PraizeOP) suggested? I started a new topic about the site, which started out a tad biased, because I am an atheist, but the bit left out concerning Religion was very striking.

-Jeanne
"The Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient."