Every cult has faulty doctrines, agreed ?



Every cult has the identifying mark of a false day of worship...in opposition, to what God has said to do.



Jesus Christ warned against traditions of men...as worshipping Himself in vain, (Matthew 15:9).





The largest cult in the world is...the Catholic church, as the Pope is the visible leader, in the place of God.



Millions will take his word over what the Bible says, in an instant.

Whatever he says...goes !



Every church in the world, who holds Sunday worship services....is under the leadership of the Catholic church, despite whatever they may think or say...the fact remains, that Sunday worship services are, an institution of the Catholic church.



Ask any Catholic priest, anywhere, in the world...."Where did Sunday worship services come from" ?

Tim you have crossed the line!!!!!!!!!! If you are not in violation of some TOS form I can't understand. Ihave been associated with Catholics on many occaisions and know them to be Christians.

This Sunday worship dogma has driven you over the edge and I think there should now be reason to take a strong look at you as a participator in Praize.

Should an attack brings you into serious question concerning your rationality and as far as the rest of us in here being a cultnly the SDA fits most of the profiles for the cults.

amen --my brother

I find it rather interesting how mseventh chews out Tim for having the audacity to call the Catholic Church a cult, yet mseventh finds it perfectly okay to call someone else (SDA) a cult. Hummm....



Peace

Ken

Firstly, if the Sunday worship thing is truly what will bring people to damnation then why is it that schools are being told they cannot have bibles or the Ten Commandments. Why does there seem to be a huge movement towards attack on the traditional marriage and a glorification of sex outside of marriage. If it was truly all about Sunday why does it seem like the world is moving more towards abolishing the Christian belief system altogether? If Sunday worship is what you base your cult theory on, I truly question it.

 Firstly, if the Sunday worship thing is truly what will bring people to damnation then why is it that schools are being told they cannot have bibles or the Ten Commandments.

Revelation 12:17 ...explains that.

Why does there seem to be a huge movement towards attack on the traditional marriage and a glorification of sex outside of marriage.

Revelation 12:17...explains that

If it was truly all about Sunday why does it seem like the world is moving more towards abolishing the Christian belief system altogether?

Revelation 12:17 ...explains that.

If Sunday worship is what you base your cult theory on, I truly question it. Maybe I should have said...Sunday worship, is 'just' one of the cult signs.

Jesus Christ was considered a cult, by the 'religious leaders' of His day....Hmm ?

 DOCUMENTATION:



"Protestants accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship 'after' the Catholic Church made the change .....BUT the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that....in observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope", ('Our Sunday Visitor', February 5, 1950).



Romans 6:16 "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness ?"





"Sunday is a Catholic insitution,and its claims to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles....Fromthe beginning of scripture to the end (Genesis-Revelation) there is not one single passage that warrants the transfer of public worship from the 7th day of the week, to the 1st day of the week", ('Catholic Press', Sydney, Autralia, August, 1900).





"IF Protestants would follow the Bible, they shouldworship God on the Sabbath day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a Law of the Catholic Church" (Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920).



"The Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, unfallable authority given her by her founder, Jesus Christ.

The Protestant claiming the Bible to be their only guide to faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday.

In this matter, the Seventh-Day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant", ("The Catholic Universe Bulletin', August 14, 1942).





"It was the Catholic church which by the authority of Jesus Christ, has transferred this rest (from the Bible Sabbath) to Sunday....Thus the observance of Sunday by the Protesant is in homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the Catholic Church", (Monsignor

Louis Segur, 'Plain Talk about the Protestant of Today', Page 213).

Jim,

You know, as I have told you privately in an e-mail, that I have great respect for your willingness to stand up for the truth which is in God's Word. Untill now I have never found anything in any of your posts with which I could not whole heartedly agree.

However, being an ex-Catholic who had even begun studies toward the priesthood at one time, I have to agree with the declaration that the Catholic belief system is a cult. I was told I was going to Hell when I was run out of the Catholic church many years ago for believing contrary to their doctrine and being bold enough to state my convictions.

I had read the Bible, which the church told me I was not qualified to do and realized a good many things they had taught me went against Scripture. For starters, the Bible tells us that there is only one name given under Heaven by which we must be saved, "Jesus," but countless millions of catholics all over the world prayed to dead people today, asking them to intercede on their behalf for the forgiveness of sins.

There is also the whole kneeling and praying before statues, despite commandments concerning idols. The Catholic church insists that this is not worship, just "giving honor" to the person whom the image is supposed to represent, but my Bible told me to to give all honor to Christ.

I could go on and on all day. However, that is really a discussion we should carry on privately and which I would be glad to do.

But for Daredevil, as far as the Sunday worship thing goes, my Bible says in Romans 14: 5-6, "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it."

Is there really a wrong day to worship the Lord? I do not believe that there is.

The Church I pastor currently has services on Sunday morning, Sunday night, Wednesday evening and Saturday night, as well as Bible studies for the youth on Tuesday nights and for the the Men's and Women's groups on Thursday nights. As I see it you can glorify God in Jesus any day of the week, even on Sunday.

Yours in Him,

Philip

 

But for Daredevil, as far as the Sunday worship thing goes, my Bible says in Romans 14: 5-6, "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it." You believe this is God's permission, to break the 4th commandment ?

Is there really a wrong day to worship the Lord? I do not believe that there is.[color blue] 15:9 "But in vain they do worship me, teaching NO MATCH FOR for,

The Church I pastor currently has services on Sunday morning, Sunday night, Wednesday evening and Saturday night, as well as Bible studies for the youth on Tuesday nights and for the the Men's and Women's groups on Thursday nights. As I see it you can glorify God in Jesus any day of the week, even on Sunday.

 

my brother Philip Iwill fight for your right to disagree;because you must hold those convictions close that came out of pain.

My problem is the bashing and abuse this man carries on and you can't tell me this is an image of Christ.

There is no way that I will hold any Catholic doctrine as truth completely but there is much that is couched in truth.Those are the grounds my Catholic brothers and I agree on.

The Central church in the Orlando Diocese has one traditional service a week and the rest are Charismatic and that began when a priest working strongly in the gifts of the Spirit had protracted meetings here and he touched most of the area.

In our group in the Philippines we have maybe 25 Catholic churches that the local priests won't go to because of the area and now we have them in affiliation with the group. That's close to 600 congregats we reach.

They have decided to come out of Catholicism and go with Jesus our King Ministries there and we will be ordaining Pastors for each work.

As long as I can meet them or any one at the cross we fellowship.

Now as for lynjames--Daredevil or whatever name he wishes to hide under ,he is not really a truthful rep of SDA. I just had surgery in a SDA facility here in Lake county. Despite what you might think can you visiualize rolling down the hall on a gurney and seeing scripture every 8-10'

I can go on concerning the daredevil but I am through repenting over my reactions to his perversions of the Word of God.

I remind you for the most Part it is not SDA it is what this man presents himself as.

Ken I did not miss the comment a while ago; You would find anything of intest that makes you appear in a good light.

The SDA are listed in the books as a cult but that is a highly faulty listing be cause it cannot be applied to all of them.

Some A/g's have been listed in the cults but it doesn't apply to all but just a few very controlling and dominering groups .

If you are gonna make complaints Ken get it right!!!!!

Jim,

As I have already said to you in a personal e-mail, but wanted to point out here, I aplaud your efforts and give praise to God for your efforts in this area. I also want to say I am sorry if I came across as condemning you for the work.

The point I was trying to make was how unsound the teachings of the group are and how much control SOME Catholic diocese have over their members because of what they stand to lose as a result of standing up for te truth.

I have sixteen aunts and uncles, over thirty cousins a father and a grandmother who will have nothing to do with me because they actually think I am going to Hell for disagreeing with the church. If they felt it was safe to talk to me, I might be able to tell them the truth, which is exactly why their church tells them it is not safe to do so.

In no way am I condemning the people here. I am pointing out the severity of the problem.

I hope this clarifies things and, again, I am sorry for the misunderstanding.

Yours in Him,

Philip

Daredevil,

So what day do you think we are supposed to worship? It would seem that I have both the Sabbath and the Lord's Day covered and then some.

Do you think it is wrong to worship on other days as well? Show me THAT in scripture.

It seems to me that you are not even reading most people's posts and are just using them as an excuse to strike out against what you do not agree with rather than something they have said. More than once now you have been called out on this.

If you just want to bash anyone who disagrees with you, I suggest you go join a debate club. If you want to discuss biblical doctrine, stick around.

Yours in Him,

Philip

thank you Phil, hope you understand i am not blind to this but if by maintaining an open door I can reach some then I will.If you take some of what you have experienced and it were to happen in parts of indonesia it would have meant death.

Yes I do know Phil and the desire for association in the ministry has nor changed

Daredevil,

Take a deep breath, and collect your senses. I am not your enemy, so don't prepare your counterattack. I don't know you but I am persuaded that you have no desire to be offensive nor make yourself to be a horses xxx in front of everybody you have offended.

Jesus appointed Paul to bring his gospel to the Gentile church, Acts 9:15, take a minute and read it. Paul taught in Collosians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days". That Greek word Sabbath is the same Greek word used throughout the New Testament.

You see the Sabbath day to a born again Christian is every day. If Christ purchased your life with His, your whole life belongs to Him. Thus everyday is the Sabbath day to born again Christians.

In your zeal to criticize the Catholic Church you have stomped all over sound Biblical teaching. Possibly you are absolutely correct in your assessment of the Catholics, but it is off topic. The topic of your thread is simple, anybody that worships the Lord on Sunday is a cult. And that statement by itself is grossly wrong. You are shooting a fox in the hen house with a scattergun, you may kill the fox, but you are taking out a lot of chickens also.

I believe you should apologize to these people and back out with some dignity, no doubt they will forgive you.

Art

Daredevil,

Take a deep breath, and collect your senses. I am not your enemy, so don't prepare your counterattack. I don't know you but I am persuaded that you have no desire to be offensive nor make yourself to be a horses xxx in front of everybody you have offended.

Jesus appointed Paul to bring his gospel to the Gentile church, Acts 9:15, take a minute and read it. Paul taught in Collosians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days". That Greek word Sabbath is the same Greek word used throughout the New Testament. I very glad someone gets into the Greek meaning of words of the Bible, AMEN !

Now, are you as fluent in the Old Testament also ?



If not, that's ok.



But I ask you to read the 4th commandment, the 7th day Sabbath....and tell me where in the 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) is there any mentioning of food...drink...new moons ?



You see the Sabbath day to a born again Christian is every day. Please provide scripture, that contradicts what God (Christ) said, in the Old Testament.

OR..better yet read Hebrews 4:4-11, and tell me how many times the word, 'day' is used, ok ?





In your zeal to criticize the Catholic Church you have stomped all over sound Biblical teaching. Possibly you are absolutely correct in your assessment of the Catholics, but it is off topic. The topic of your thread is simple, anybody that worships the Lord on Sunday is a cult.

Maybe I read the following Bible verse wrong, what do you think.....Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness ?





I believe you should apologize to these people and back out with some dignity, no doubt they will forgive you.

Art [color blue] Will they forgive me, for not telling them the truths, that will save their lives ?



OR ...will God forgive me, for not doing what He says, in Ezekiel 33:7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.

33:8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked [man], thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked NO MATCH FOR man,

Daredevil,

So what day do you think we are supposed to worship? As Christians ...do you think one should follow Jesus Christ's example ?

Did Jesus keep the 7th day Sabbath (Yes or No).

Did Jesus ever mention anything, about changing the day of worship, from the 7th day Sabbath, to Sunday ?



It would seem that I have both the Sabbath and the Lord's Day covered and then some.



Do you think it is wrong to worship on other days as well? Show me THAT in scripture.

[color blue] Matthew 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?



15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is far from me.

15:9 "But in vain ...they do worship me, teaching NO MATCH FOR for,

It seems to me that you are not even reading most people's posts and are just using them as an excuse to strike out against what you do not agree with rather than something they have said. More than once now you have been called out on this. And had people understood Revelation 12:17....they would understand satan's hatred of those who keep the commandments of God.

If you just want to bash anyone who disagrees with you, I suggest you go join a debate club. If you want to discuss biblical doctrine, stick around.

[color blue] satan set up sunday worship services (Daniel 7:25.....'think to change times and laws'), and I fight not against people but against satan deceptions, which the Bible warns people about had they bothered to read them.

   Great many religious teachers claim that Christ by His death abolished the law, and men are now free from its requirements.

There are some who represent it as a grievous yoke, and in contrast to the bondage of the law they present the liberty to be enjoyed under the gospel.



But not so did prophets and apostles regard the holy law of God. Said David: "I will walk at liberty: for I seek Thy precepts." Psalm 119:45. The apostle James, who wrote after the death of Christ, refers to the Decalogue as "the royal law" and "the perfect law of liberty." James 2:8; 1:25.



And the Apostle John, half a century after the crucifixion, pronounces a blessing upon them "that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." Revelation 22:14.



The claim that Christ by His death abolished His Father's law is without Biblical support. Had it been possible for the law to be changed or set aside, then Christ need not have died to save man from the penalty of sin.



The death of Christ, so far from abolishing the law, proves that it is immutable. The Son of God came to "magnify the law, and make it honorable." Isaiah 42:21.



Jesus said: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law;" "till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law." Matthew 5:17, 18.



And concerning Jesus Himself He declares: "I delight to do Thy will, O my God: yea, Thy law is within My heart." Psalm 40:8.



The law of God, from its very nature, is unchangeable. It is a revelation of the will and the character of its Author. God is love, and His law is love. Its two great principles are love to God and love to man. "Love is the fulfilling of the law." Romans 13:10. The character of God is righteousness and truth; such is the nature of His law.



Says the King David: "Thy law is the truth:" "all Thy commandments are righteousness." Psalm 119:142, 172. And the apostle Paul declares: "The law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." Romans 7:12.



And, would God abolish a Law which was Perfect ?

OK-can we all agree that SUNday worship, CHRIST(mass), and Easter(Ishtar) are all slightly more pagan in origin than Halloween and the symbols/dates for these festivals pre-date even the Catholic church. Look it up, if you didn't know. Bottom line, Paul instructs us to follow our conscience concerning what days are set aside as Holy to the Lord and leaves the majority of practices between an individual and God. He also plainly instructs us to respect our brother or sister's conviction. This is probably because Paul knew that the purpose of our convictions and, especially doctrines, are to lead us to a closer relationship with Jesus through their practice. The Holy Spirit may have a plan for a person that involves a path we, as individuals have not walked. IT IS OK. For me, my path has taken me through Sabbath keeping, holy days, unclean meats, and all sorts of associated legalisms to a place of freedom and power in the Spirit as well as a desire for mystical union with God through contemplative prayer. Some of the most transformitive times for me was when I found out I was wrong . Buddha said it like this. Doctrines are like wood we form into usefull boards and build a raft out of to cross a river. However, after we cross the river, we had better destroy the raft and use it for firewood, lest we become attached to the raft and are unable to continue our journey. Jesus, who is God, as opposed to Buddha, who was a smart guy who lived 600-700 prior to Jesus' ministry in the physical world, showed me this through a word of wisdom he gave me as an interpretation to a friends riddle. She heard the Holy Spirit whisper "they're cardboard boxes" every time someone laid their new pet doctrine on her. When she asked me if I had any insight, the Lord showed me that doctrines are like cardboard boxes. You pack your stuff in them and move, but when you get where you're going, they're disposable. I don't think Jesus is quite as wrought up about this stuff as a couple of you guys might be. It isn't like Sunday-go-to-meetin is the doctrine of the Nicolations. Remember, the council at Jerusalem didn't issue a long list of nuanced legal proclamations. They were kind of like; Look, love Jesus, love your brother, be generous, and don't eat anything obviously vile. Be cool, my brothers and sisters, and enjoy the diverse practices of God's kids.

two ?s: what is the SDA? why do people refer to Sunday as the Lord's Day? Wasn't the Lord's Day OT sybolism for the LordGod visiting judgement on a people group? I think that intrpretation is a setting for the vision John had, not an indication of a day of the week.

what is the SDA?Seventh Day Adventist....the church is identifed in the Bible:

#1.) Revelation 14:12......"Here is the patience of the saints, here are they that keep the commandments of God, and have the faith of Jesus".

#2.)Revelation 12:17....satan is angry (as in going to WAR, against...) with the last day church because they keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

why do people refer to Sunday as the Lord's Day?Maybe because people mistakenly think of God, honoring the resurrection day ?

Wasn't the Lord's Day OT sybolism for the LordGod visiting judgement on a people group? Not always....as God says for us to call the sabbath a 'delight', and promises a blessing, to those who honor God, by observing it.

I think that intrpretation is a setting for the vision John had, not an indication of a day of the week. [color blue]To add the word 'Sunday' to what is called the Lord's day, is adding to scripture, that which God did not do Himself....and is most dangerous !

It must be remembered that Jesus Christ was considered a 'cult', by those in the know in His day also.



satan is well pleased at the calling of SDA's as a cult....which furthers his ...WAR...on those who keep the commandments of God, and have the faith of Jesus, (Revelation 14:12)

 8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Oh, yeah, I should have put that together. They are building a sanctuary by my kids daycare. I used to attend World Wide Church of God for a few years back in the 90's. It had it's place in my life, but graciously the LordGod moved me on. WWCG had the same Sabbath signifiers for the people of God. They're arguments, as are yours, are beyond weak. There is no evidence that first century Christians felt compelled to keep a Saturday Sabbath, and they were the closest to the apostles of the Lamb. If you really think God is so small as to hang conversion or pleasing Him on a question as mundane as this you should probably move yourself to some higher ground to get a better vantage point.