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The Atheist Agenda...
Since a few people are active right now, I thought I would ask this question that has some of my atheist friends perplexed.

What do Christians consider to be the "atheist agenda" sometimes known as the "evil atheist agenda?"

We just don't know about this, yet we get accused of it a lot.

In all seriousness,
Jeanne
"The Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient."
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JEANNE

HI!
CHRISTMAS GREETINGS TO YOU
I SPEAKING FOR ME AND NOT OTHER BELIEVERS, I OFTEN END UP APOLOGIZING FOR EXPRESSING MY BELIEFS TOO STRONGLY AS FOR AN ATHEISTIC AGENDA I HAVE NOT TAKEN TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT

WHEN I TALK TO AN ATHEIST ABOUT THEIR BELIEFS I BASE MY COMMENTS ON WHAT IS SAID TO ME NOT WHAT A GROUP THOUGHT MIGHT BE. I FOUND A GROUP THOUGHT ALMOST AS IRRATIONAL AS SOME CHRISTIANS MIGHT BE. A CHRISTIAN OFTEN HAS TO BE TAUGHT BY MEMBERS OF HIS OR HER GROUP BECAUSE of INABILITY TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES .

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praizeop2: Nov 25, 2018, 3:08 PM
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Re: [m7thprophet] The Atheist Agenda... In reply to
Well, thanks Jim.

That is sort of where us atheists that are wondering sit; that we are individuals without groupthink. Each of us have our feelings about deity belief and the religions that support them.

As for this Conservative bunch of atheists, we aren't trying to "convert" any theists to atheism, even though we may feel that deity belief isn't necessary and in some cases can be detrimental to the individual or societies. We don't reason that deity belief will ever be something foreign to the human condition and just want to be accepted as people without it, as we accept people with it, treating each as who they are and not what they believe.

You have to admit that socially in our country, atheists still get a bum rap and that admitting one is an atheist may impact a person's social and professional standing, not to mention their relationship with their friends and family.

Thanks for not lumping us all in together as acting upon an evil atheist agenda.

Merry Christmas a bit early, Jim. I am not ready for the season to begin, yet, but I guess it is here anyway. Christmas decorations, cards and toys/gifts were up in our local Walmarts before Halloween was here. Too soon, please, let us enjoy Thanksgiving before Christmas chaos descends. Oh to keep it simple and peaceful like it used to be...
"The Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient."
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Hi, Jeanne,
I am not sure what you are talking about. I can share my personal beliefs with you. But that is all I know.

I think that atheists do not believe in an all-powerful.l God. One that is able to do anything. I have seen miracles worked in my life and that is why I DO believe in an all-powerful God. I have seen things happen that could only happen with some sort of help from somewhere. Things that have no rational explanation.

I don't care that you don't have an answer for unanswerable situations. If you don't need things answered in a certain way (miracles) in your life... FINE. I can love you and I can accept you... recognizing that you have something that you don't feel you need in your life. Christians recognize that there are certain things that are not in our control, and if we want them to be, we need a God to provide them for us.

We were talking today with friends about Alzheimer's disease. My mother had it, and she lived with us during her early 80's. We were explaining how it is demonic. Things my mother did that had no accountability to them. My point is that if you don't believe in God, you can't believe in the demonic. They go hand-in-hand. There are just certain things that cannot be explained without believing in the Bible an all that it includes.

And I don't know if this answers your question or not. LOL
Blessings ~ Sarah
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YOU NOW ARE COMING INTO THE POINT OF ANOINTING THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE.
YOUR ANSWER IN THIS REFLECTED A GREAT DEAL OF WISDOM.
STILL PRAYING FOR YOU
M7TH
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I HAVE AVOIDED BEING CONTROVERSIAL AND NOW WITH RECENT STATEMENTS BEING MADE IN A PUBLIC SENSE I MUST SAY SOMETHING.
WHEN THE LGBT GROUPS CAME ON THE SCENE I REALLY MADE UP MIND TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENED AND HAVE HAD TO REPENT OF THAT.
1)THERE ARE NOW FEMININE AND MALE GAY ASSOCIATE PASTOR OF MAINLINE CONSERVATIVE MINISTRIES ABLE TO TEACH GAY PRINCIPLE. 2) IN THE CITY OF ORLANDO TWO MAINLINE CHURCHES PUT UP SIGNS CONCERNING THEIR BELIEF IN THE LORD IN THAT CHURCH AND THEY WERE PROMPTLY SUED IN FEDERAL FOR A VIOLATION OF CHURCH AND STATE AMONG OTHER THINGS AND FORCED REMOVE TO THEM. 3)THE THING OF IT IS THE SIGNS WERE ON CHURCH OR PRIVATE PROPERTY.

4) DOWN THE STREET IN VIEW OF THE CHURCHES WERE LGBT PROPERTIES WITH LGBT SIGNS AND IN PLAIN SIGHT. IN THE WAKE OF SEVERAL SHOOTINGS AT PROMINENT LOCATIONS KNOWN ONA NATIONAL BASIS HAD LIGHTS REFLECTING HARMONY WITH LGBT THOUGHT AND COLORS WERE SEEN.
THESE LGBT GROUPS HAVE PUBLISHED DOCTRINE; WHILE NOT BEING A CHURCH GROUP ARE SUBJECT TO MANY OF THE TAX REGULATIONS OF RELIGIOUS GROUPS AND SOON THIS FORM OF HYPOCRISY WILL END.

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m7thprophet: Nov 26, 2018, 11:56 AM
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Re: [jeanne53] The Atheist Agenda... In reply to
Jeanne, read the blog post by Stephen Porter called "Fleas On A Dog". I think it might answer some of your questions.
Blessings ~ Sarah
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I wish you would have printed this in a separate area.
Blessings ~ Sarah
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Hi Sarah.

Thanks for replying.

Yes, apparently "The Evil Atheist Agenda" is not something known about, so I did a search for it, and came up with this from Conservapedia:

https://www.conservapedia.com/Atheist_agenda

The atheist agenda refers to an extensive ideology and programme, common to avowed atheists (Atheists commonly fall on the left aisle of the political spectrum. See: Atheism and politics and Secular left).
The atheist Dr. Gordon Stein declared:

“Atheism has long ceased to be a rare and oft-ignored philosophical outlook...It has transformed itself into an active political programme with clear objectives which, though they vary from state to state, unequivocally include the elimination of state religion, religious education, and the enshrinement of scientism.[1]”

The atheist agenda includes these objectives:

1 Removing creation science from curricula and outlawing its teaching in schools. See: Evolutionary indoctrination
2 Outlawing personal religion in schools under the guise of "separation of church and state"
3 Indoctrinating atheistic and evolutionary ideology through the education system, and thus the public at large
4 Undermining Christianity and other organized religion through widespread misinformation and deceit

There is more at the site.

I am not talking about what I believe or do not believe or what I accept is reality or not reality, but about a general source of uncomfortable being that atheists feel when we are all lumped in with tyrants or groups that might actually have such an agenda.

So, I guess this is what people judge us on.

I had replied to an atheist friend that I thought Christians thought we worked to convert their children to atheism and so they would have good reason to consider us evil, but no atheist that I know online or in real life work to do that, or even would wish to do that.

Do we think human beings would be better without religions and deity beliefs? Yes, we do, but realize that more than likely those traits of humanity will be with us forever and we recognize that it seems many humans benefit from their faith. However, it has always been our wish that if we leave them to have faith in deities that they will leave us to not have faith in deities and that we could each leave the children alone to follow in the faith/non-faith of their parents, at least while they are under the age of majority.

I appreciate your friendship and kind words, Sarah.

My father had Alzheimer's disease as did some of his brothers suffer from a form of dementia, and my mother had dementia, which we did not become aware of until my father died and her well-regulated routine involving his care and her life left her adrift when he died at 89. She died at nearly 89. Both she and my mother-in-law lived with us until their death. Cancer took my MIL, but her mind was clear as a bell until the end. My mother's health was good, except for her totally destroyed esophagus, which is what precipitated her death, but her mind was not. Both of my parents with dementia had other conditions, which fortunately, ended their lives before the person that they were totally disappeared and they became infantile, both physically and mentally.

I do not believe that disease is demonic, it is physical. Dementia and Alzheimer's is, never the less, a terrible scourge on those who have it and those who love a person who has it.

-Jeanne
"The Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient."
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Re: [jeanne53] The Atheist Agenda... In reply to
Jeanne, I really want to answer this. But time seems to be an issue. So we will see if I can get back to it before the weekend ends.
Blessings ~ Sarah
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jeanne53 wrote:
Since a few people are active right now, I thought I would ask this question that has some of my atheist friends perplexed.

What do Christians consider to be the "atheist agenda" sometimes known as the "evil atheist agenda?"

We just don't know about this, yet we get accused of it a lot.

In all seriousness,
Jeanne
Even though I am not Christian, I hope you don’t mind my .02 cents worth
I think many Christians make the mistake of assuming Atheism is to the Atheist what Christianity is to the Christian. To the Christian, his God is the most important thing in his life; more important than his wife, kids, family, friends. His belief offers answers and responses to loss, death, tragedy, inequality, and injustice. It provides a sense of duty, colors their social and political views, their view of right/wrong, it gives a sense of reward when things go good, and comfort when things go bad.
Atheism (at least for me and IMO most Atheists) provides none of those things; it is just the default position. It is no more a foundation in my life than the fact that my Zodiac sign is Scorpio.

When they assume Atheism is as important to us as Religion is to them, they assume because they have an agenda associated with their religion, that we must have a simular agenda associated with Atheism.

Ken
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Hi Ken: Well put!

Even though I am not Christian, I hope you don’t mind my .02 cents worth
I think many Christians make the mistake of assuming Atheism is to the Atheist what Christianity is to the Christian. To the Christian, his God is the most important thing in his life; more important than his wife, kids, family, friends. His belief offers answers and responses to loss, death, tragedy, inequality, and injustice. It provides a sense of duty, colors their social and political views, their view of right/wrong, it gives a sense of reward when things go good, and comfort when things go bad.
Atheism (at least for me and IMO most Atheists) provides none of those things; it is just the default position. It is no more a foundation in my life than the fact that my Zodiac sign is Scorpio.

When they assume Atheism is as important to us as Religion is to them, they assume because they have an agenda associated with their religion, that we must have a simular agenda associated with Atheism.


There is also the assumption on the part of many 'Evangelical' believers that all Atheists are 'Evangelical' about getting others to align with the atheist perspective on reality, or as you put it, the default position, as atheists see it.

There has defnitely been 'an atheist agenda' in most communist countries, because atheism is an integral part of their overall strategy for 'liberating' all nations from 'superstition' and 'ignorance'.

This rather arrogant attitude that the entire world is in need of 'education' to bring it up to the superior understanding of atheists does feel somewhat like 'an atheist agenda', with a definite objective, and a strategy for achieving it.

The mistake that some Evangelicals seem to be making is in assuming all atheists are communists and all communists are bent on world domination and the re-education of the masses. Most may be, but not all.
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In Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting the message of reconciliation to us. 2 Cor. 5:19. Love covers a multitude of sins. 1 Pet.4:8b.
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Hi Kenny. Smile

Thanks for your reply. You did read the post where I included what I found, I hope.

This:

<<Yes, apparently "The Evil Atheist Agenda" is not something known about, so I did a search for it, and came up with this from Conservapedia:

https://www.conservapedia.com/Atheist_agenda

The atheist agenda refers to an extensive ideology and programme, common to avowed atheists (Atheists commonly fall on the left aisle of the political spectrum. See: Atheism and politics and Secular left).
The atheist Dr. Gordon Stein declared:

“Atheism has long ceased to be a rare and oft-ignored philosophical outlook...It has transformed itself into an active political programme with clear objectives which, though they vary from state to state, unequivocally include the elimination of state religion, religious education, and the enshrinement of scientism.[1]”

The atheist agenda includes these objectives:

1 Removing creation science from curricula and outlawing its teaching in schools. See: Evolutionary indoctrination
2 Outlawing personal religion in schools under the guise of "separation of church and state"
3 Indoctrinating atheistic and evolutionary ideology through the education system, and thus the public at large
4 Undermining Christianity and other organized religion through widespread misinformation and deceit >>

So there is such a thing as a supposed official Atheist Agenda. It just seems that most people don't know about it as being officially an agenda, yet it is often cited as part of the frightening aspects of accepting atheists or atheistic thinking in public schools or other places wherein the youth could be exposed to their supposed brain washing.

So, when atheists get mentioned, many minds go instantly to the notion that atheists want to keep children from exposure to religion and shut down churches and have religious belief and religious rituals removed from all public life. We and the Secular Humanist societies are considered much worse than Satanist religions, because...well...at least they believe in some sort of divine entities, etc. Sort of mind blowing to me, but I have had these conversations with Christians.

Kenny, I am happy to read that you are still an atheist.

-Jeanne
"The Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient."
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Hi Chris.

There is a difference between attitudes of believers in our countries and they vary as much as attitudes between sects and deity beliefs do.

We have in this country several atheist groups that keep in check the law, which maintains that our Federal Government may not establish an official government religion and this gets tricky very often.

There are some that speak out against religions and deity beliefs, decrying that believers waste their lives, stunt their children and live without care for the future, because they won't need to worry about it or about their family's health and well being, because their deity will take care of them or has already marked out their fate.

Regular people who are atheists usually have little time to worry about such stuff, because they are like everybody else...too busy living and getting by and planning for the future as best they can.

Such atheists are often impacted by overt Christianity or other religion at a work place or at their kid's schools or maybe via noisy neighbors, who feel obligated to impart their deity beliefs upon others. They either suck it up or make other arrangements or protest to the schools or work places that are overtly religious and expect others to follow their rules.

Most atheists reason that human beings will outgrow deity beliefs or at least the religions that support them. A few want to actively work to make that happen, but most of us don't care that much, as long as those beliefs don't impact us over much and that those beliefs do not endanger people, including children and other weaker people under the influence of powerful religious leaders, which may just be the fathers/husbands of families.

Atheism, as you well know, speaks nothing about a person's ethical behavior or philosophies or about any political ideology, either.

I reason that "The Evil Atheist Agenda" is actually a political agenda designed as a global power grab. Those who follow such a path are willing to wait patiently for time and pressure upon classes of society's "victims" to force change and as well are they patient for the disintegration of a nation's traditions to act upon the base of its strengths and principles. All this patience with various agendas seems to be paying off, but let us hope that I am wrong.

When I consider in this country who those are that have been patient, I do not see atheists, but I see believers or at least those who have forever pretended to be believers. In the end it is they who are the Communists, whether of some deity belief or none. Nor are they in one political party, but show up more in that group, which has been an elite power for decades.

What was the topic again? Smile

Too much free time this morning...

-Jeanne
"The Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient."