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Re: [rdrcofe] I like Penn Jilette. In reply to
You are absolutely right, Chris (in my as I take what you wrote exactly as "I" read and interpret it.
That is the beauty of the Bible. A scripture may mean something to me that fits perfectly into my life, but something else to you that fits into yours. One of the many reasons why God is so awesome!

And, as usual, we have gone off on another rabbit trail. My fault!!! :) Let's bring it back to the Catholic church and the Pope, okay?
Blessings ~ Sarah

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praizeop2: Mar 29, 2013, 8:55 AM
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Sarah / Allen :

A scripture may mean something to me that fits perfectly into my life, but something else to you that fits into yours. One of the many reasons why God is so awesome!

That is exactly what I meant by 'experience'. Scripture originally meant something to the author who wrote it. It meant something to the readers who it was originally addressed to. I has meant various, (sometimes very different things), to people of faith down the generations. It means something different to each and every one of us , in our particular circumstances, depending on what God is telling us 'through ' it.

And it also means whatever God intended it to mean, to all the people who have ever read it or will ever read it.

In other words, it is not a book of fixed immutable meaning, (like the Koran). It is a dynamic living text which not only has very specific meanings in the New Testament Greek but also very broad and deep meanings in the Hebrew. So broad and so specific that no single translation has ever done it justice, it is so full of subtle nuances.

That is why it needs to be explained to be properly understood. That is what preachers are trained for. A good preacher is someone who has learned by 'experience' to place their trust in God and scripture.

Regards Chris.
In Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting the message of reconciliation to us. 2 Cor. 5:19. Love covers a multitude of sins. 1 Pet.4:8b.
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Are you familiar with the term Immaculate Conception? Read the following but note when the doctrine was inyroduced into Catholicism. This represents a change in the doctrine of the church and yet, it still is the Roman Catholic Church,

"In the Constitution "Ineffabilis Deus" of December 8, 1854, Pius IX pronounced and defined that the Blessed Virgin Mary "in the first instant of her conception, by a singular privilege and grace granted by God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the human race, was preserved exempt from all stain of original sin" (Denzinger, "Enchiridion", 10th ed., n. 1641). The subject of this immunity from original sin is the person of Mary at the moment of the creation of her soul and its infusion into her body. The term conception does not mean the active or generative conception by her parents. Her body was formed in the womb of the mother, and the father had the usual share in its formation. The question does not concern the immaculateness of the generative activity of her parents. Neither does it concern the passive conception absolutely and simply (conceptio seminis, carnis, inchoata), which, according to the order of nature, precedes the infusion of the rational soul. The person is truly conceived when the soul is created and infused into the body. Mary was preserved exempt from all stain of original sin at the first moment of her animation, and sanctifying grace was given to her before sin could have taken effect in her soul. The formal active essence of original sin was not removed from her soul, as it is removed from others by baptism; it was excluded, it never was in her soul. Simultaneously with the exclusion of sin, the state of original sanctity, innocence, and justice, as opposed to original sin, was conferred upon her, by which gift every stain and fault, all depraved emotions, passions, and debilities, essentially pertaining to original sin, were excluded. But she was not made exempt from the temporal penalties of Adam—from sorrow, bodily infirmities, and death. The immunity from original sin was given to Mary by a singular exemption from a universal law through the same merits of Christ, by which other men are cleansed from sin by baptism. Mary needed the redeeming Savior to obtain this exemption, and to be delivered from the universal necessity and debt (debitum) of being subject to original sin. The person of Mary, in consequence of her origin from Adam, should have been subject to sin, but, being the new Eve who was to be the mother of the new Adam, she was, by the eternal counsel of God and by the merits of Christ, withdrawn from the general law of original sin. Her redemption was the very masterpiece of Christ's redeeming wisdom. He is a greater redeemer who pays the debt that it may not be incurred, than he who pays after it has fallen on the debtor (Ullathorne, "Immac. Conception", p. 89). Such is the meaning of the term "Immaculate Conception".
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Catholic doctrine can change without the church losing it's authority or place.