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https://pcpj.org/trumpletter/
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I have read this and feel it is fine to post it here.
Mrs.Mac, welcome back. I wish you had written more rather than just putting in the URL. Sly

You might want to post in News or Politics to get more interest than Pentecostal Forums.
I did take out the second post as it said the same thing. You might want to read Terms & Agreements which is posted on the bottom right of EVERY PAGE. Please take the time to look at it... everyone. It is really important that posters know what is and isn't allowed here at Praize.

If I can be of further help to you, please feel free to Personal Message me. It is the easiest way to reach me. If you want to repost and add more about what you are attempting to do, just let me know and I can remove this one. Your choice. Again, it is good to see you here. It has been a while.
Blessings ~ Sarah
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Hi Dawn

Welcome back. Smile

Yup...not gonna sign it. Except for the fact that I would not leave my daughters alone with the President, I tend to approve with much of what he had said and done.

I would suspect that in the current atmosphere, his "flirtatious" behavior is behind him and quite frankly, I am not going to toss everything else out because he has taken his cues from decades of liberal policies regarding relationships between men and women or between those with power and those seeking something from those with power.

Of course, I am an atheist, not a pentecostal. Still I am an American citizen with strong ethical values and an equally strong patriotic sense.

So far, so good and although I did not vote for the man in the first election, if things keep running along like his first year has, I will vote for him next election.

This excerpt:

<<1 demonization of immigrants and minorities;
2 reckless nuclear war rhetoric;
3 loosening of environmental protection;
4 belittling and abuse of women;
5 disrespect of indigenous people;
6 inequalities between rich and poor; and
7 dishonesty and lying.>>

Fake news. When it comes to what Trump has done and said as President....fake news. I will take him any day over any Socialist/Progressive/Liberal/Statist/Leftist/Communist, such as Bernie Sanders or Hilary Clinton or Barry Obama.

Where is DoveGiven when you need him? I suspect he would flip upside down to see me write this post. I have been impressed, DG...impressed. You were right and I was wrong.

-Jeanne
"The Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient."
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I love you Jeanne, but there is no way I can accept Trump....I'm appalled so many American evangelicals support him and Pence...... Dangerous and evil men .....wolves in sheep's clothing.....one of the reasons I'm rarely here, but hoping some see the light before it's too late.....
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Hi Dawn.

This president has passionate people for him and against him. The atmosphere in the US reflects that. Trump only has to be accepted by the citizens of the US. He was legally and officially elected by our system and is operating his administration after an intense learning period, but on his own terms.

One of the most impressive things about this administration is that his cabinet members and the WH in general are reigning in un-Constitutional regulations, laws, Executive Orders from predecessors and if the goal is worthy, they are then finding Constitutionally legal means to address the issues.

There is no good reason for me and those who agree with me to consider Trump anything but moving forward with success and toward an America that more resembles what has been lost over years of progressive tendencies on both sides from established and career politician elites.

And..Mike Pence? Good grief.

Here is the question, however, what do you want our President to be?

His main job is to protect the country under our Constitution. Immigration must be got under control. Crime must be got under control. Democratic cities depressed by decades of their progressive ideas must be got under control. Federal government must grow smaller and the waste must be cut. NK must be stopped in its madness...the monster has grown under appeasement. The Paris Accords are a joke. We have an intelligent and capable leader who knows how to get things done and who is not beholden to special interests and who cares more for this country and what his supporters think than what the UN and its ilk think.

What type of person do you think we should have as our leader? What are his specific "crimes" this letter writes about and what proof was offered as to the truth of anything it states?

Do you think the Prez and the VP are in league with Satan? Is Donald J. Trump the Anti-Christ?

Maybe that seems a bit bizarre, but the letter and your post make is seem quite dire.

-Jeanne
"The Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient."
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Im not pentecostal but i put it here, because it was speaking to the pentecostal leadership.....

I think Trump could be leading up to the antichrist.....he is using evangelicals.....i think he is not a good man, treasonous to the USA (and im not American), greedy, lustful, tells untruths, etc ....Pence is hateful in his conduct towards gays and prochoice.....i probably dislike him more than Trump even, because he claims to be a Christian....but doesnt act as a true follower of Christ....i think religion and politics should be separate...one cannot legislate christianity or you have a christian taliban....

I personally wouldve probably voted for Bernie....as Clinton also has issues, altho i think she wouldve had better diplomacy than Trump will ever have in dealing with world events and other countries....Trump is not doing well at all in that department...i disliked Bush, but even he did better than Trump....Obama wasnt perfect, but was better liked worldwide....its very difficult being neighbours and keeping the peace with someone like Trump....(our Justin Trudeau isnt perfect by any means either, but certainly better than the Harper we had previously )

the whole situation is bizarre my friend....never expected such a buffoon to be president of the USA....and i never expected so many evangelicals to agree with him.... i have to watch the news every day to see what Trump is up too...keeps me up my current events...LOL
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Hi Dawn

You sound like me when I was supporting Ted Cruz.

I think you are wrong in your assessment of Trump and of Obama and Clinton for that matter. I think history will result in a different take on each of them.

I am no longer cautiously optimistic. I am just plain optimistic and supportive of Trump's administration.

Depending upon whom you listen to, watch, or read or if you just read the headlines...well, that colors your opinion of Trump.

I appreciate you concern, but I think we are okay for the fist time in decades.

-Jeanne
"The Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient."
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We are going to have to agree to disagree on number 45 and unfortunately, i fear for the USA and for we who are your neighbours.....worldwide there are concerns also....i do agree with you that it will be interesting what history has to say tho....when i was in school the history we received wasnt always accurate tho...they didnt tell us much of the negative, such as the way Britain/Canada treated our First Nations....finally our nation is coming to terms with some of that but its been a long slow process full of pain....keep intouch my friend....hugs
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Hugs my friend, always.

-Jeanne
"The Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient."
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What always frightens me in these debates is what would have happened if Hillary had become president. For that reason alone, I am glad to see that it was Trump. Bill should have been ousted, and I will never understand why he wasn't... unless his affair with Monica was a cover up for something else that was going on... like perhaps the death of Ron Brown. Hillary would have been a disaster.

We will see what happens in another three years. Oprah perhaps? Everyone loves Oprah. I just wonder how much knowledge she has about government... but certainly no less knowledge than with the last two presidents. How can people watch this charade and NOT believe in a God?
Blessings ~ Sarah
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Oh my.....if you think Clinton shouldve been ousted but not Trump????...i just dont understand....how can someone who professes to be a Christian begin to vote for someone such as Trump ????? I definitely had some reservations about Hilary, altho i still think she is more intelligent and knowledgeable than Trump, and as far as Bill, his sexual morals were indeed questionable, but so are Trumps, so what is the difference???? a political party ????? ....other than that he was not a bad President as far as the world is concerned....Obama is a decent man....and altho i didnt like Bush's warmongering ways, and blame him for ISIS, even he wasnt as disturbed as Trump is....Pence is scary also, if that is the reason some voted for Trump....Pence does not portray the love of Christ in any way....i feel Trump is using the evangelical christian vote for his own immoral, white supremacist and greedy ways, plus he appears to be disturbed mentally with what he says and does/doesnt do.....and Pence is definitely a wolf in sheeps clothing...i cannot believe otherwise....i also believe in the separation of church and state....one cannot legislate Christianity...that is wrong and makes for a Christian taliban....

as much as i may like or not like Oprah, i think the USA should stop with the movie star/ TV presidents.... Reagan, and Nancy covering for him and also using psychics for him....Trump with his greedy, rich, prejudice white man TV personality and also possible mental issues, and Oprah also being a TV personality, bright & female, and worked her way up from the bottom...just isnt wise in my opinion....
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If Christians agree their God is all powerful, there is no need for them to help Him along.....again this is not true christianity to me.....http://www.newsweek.com/trump-will-bring-about-end-worldevangelicals-end-times-779643
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"Sojourners Condemns Racist Language Used By Trump to Degrade Haitian, Salvadoran, and African Immigrants
Sojourners strongly denounces the hateful words spoken by Donald Trump during a closed-door immigration-related meeting this week. According to news outlets and confirmed to the media by at least one senator present at the meeting, President Trump asked, “Why do we have all these people from shit-hole nations come here” when referring to immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador, and other African countries. It has been reported the President went on to say he would like more people from “places like Norway.” The message was clear --about the color of the skin of the people Trump wants and does not want in America.

The words uttered by Trump may be among the ugliest and most harmful words to ever come from the White House of the United States of America. Media debates around what the words mean dominate the current news cycle. Debates over language are not the issue but rather the worldview that white European immigrants are preferable to black and brown immigrants. As an organization committed and driven by faith in action for racial justice and healing, Sojourners urges a unified response against this Administration’s divisive, dangerous, and racist agendas against people of color, immigrants, refugees, and Muslims; again revealed by the brutal expletives from the President of the United States.

“The deepest question we must ask is about white American Christians. What will they/we say and do? Will we speak against the racism which is a sin against God and against our brothers and sisters of color who are all made in the image of God? Silence is not morally or biblically allowed; and silence is complicity according the Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. whose birthday we remember on Monday. My recommendation is that every MLK event in America this Monday make the move from commemoration to commitment. It is time for Christians, especially white American Christians, to speak out and step up as Christians to the kind of racial talk and actions that are now becoming normalized in the United States of America and that we heard again on Thursday from the Oval Office. God help us,” said Jim Wallis, president and founder of Sojourners."
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Hi Gals.

I am going to open up a debate in the Current Events forum, but I will also offer here this article from The American Thinker:

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/01/note_to_nevertrumps_trumps_character_is_admirable.html

Dawn, you are spouting all the right talking points for a Leftist, whether Christian or not.

I was a Never-Trumper and changed my party affiliation to vote AGAINST him in the Primary and General Elections and so did my family members.

When he won, I said..."Prove to me that you can be my President and aren't the man the Left says you are...and I will vote for you next election." He has. I support him in what he is trying to do and his methods, which are not conventional...but conventional methods have gotten us further into an abyss of never-ending ISIS/Middle East conflict and NK and Iranian nuclear threats, an economy that sucked and national and foreign policies that were not in our favor...were in fact, detrimental to our national well-being.

President Trump is connecting with fly-over America, the middle class, the working poor, the grandchildren of the Greatest Generation, our military and their families, businesses, both small and large, parents concerned about public education, agriculture, entrepreneurs, those concerned about our dependence upon foreign oil, Black communities, our police departments, and legal immigrants.

I would prefer that he watch his language, but that phrase is one that has been in my mind since I was fourteen years old and dealing with the people that were coming here from those "$#!+-hole countries". Those people who ruined my home town and its college and still are.

So...if you want to talk more about Trump, follow me over to Current Events when I get that post up.

An excerpt from the article:

<<Here's an alternate take on things: Trump's character is responsible for his outstanding performance in his first year as president.  If you want to know who someone is, you look at what he does.  What we have: a booming economy, growing jobs, more lawful governance, fewer regulations, more global security.  What character traits this took: hard work, focus, commitment, courage, honesty, independence, incorruptibility, self-confidence, love of excellence.  The list of Trump's positive character traits goes on and on.  You don't get achievements independent of character.>>

<<Here's another alternate approach: there's no need to point out that George Washington is a dead white male when you praise him as the father of our country.  Who cares that Churchill drank too much when you are discussing his leadership in the fight against Hitler?  We all understand perfectly well that we are all human, meaning we have faults.  We don't need to apologize for President Trump.>>

Non-American Leftists simply have a different take on what our recent past has been and what is going on now.

BTW, is the USA the ONLY nation to not have the right to vet our immigrants? Refugees are one thing, but taking all who want to immigrate, yet not necessarily assimilate, is not required of our nation. Immigration has always been sought to the nation's benefit and not otherwise. We had 40 years when all immigration was stopped to allow the new people to assimilate and they did. In 1969, I think, immigration was started back up and vetting and assimilation has not been happening in recent decades.

And...dear me, look at Europe that opened its doors without vetting to supposed refugees from the Syrian Civil War. Europe is dying and it was willful suicide. Refugees are supposed to return to their homelands when the crisis is over and they have been allowed to stay by administrations who want to gradually destroy our country by maintaining a permanent underclass who will gleefully vote for Democrats who will continue the process.

-Jeanne
"The Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient."
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that phrase is one that has been in my mind since I was fourteen years old and dealing with the people that were coming here from those "$#!+-hole countries

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1kvJpkAzaPkGE

Apparently this was displayed on Trumps Hotel. What goes around, comes around, I guess and sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, comes to mind.


Trump set the standard as Precedent, others emulate. Double entendre and mis-spelling intended.


Say what you like though, Trump has certainly livened up American Politics. Laugh

https://youtu.be/i9qv8RSreIM

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Appalling world wide, and yes we check the news every day to see what he's done/said/tweeted now....

I still cant imagine any person agreeing with number 45s presidency, that to me is closer to treason and comedy than anything else....he is a laughing stock world wide....

and yes, I am probably left in American standards...LOL...I am Canadian, raised Liberal, in an Anabaptist, Mennonite home....i no longer vote for the Liberal party but vote NDP or Green....thankfully we have several parties to vote for....
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mrsmac: Hi

thankfully we have several parties to vote for.... And less unsuitable candidates one would hope.

Spoiled for choice eh! More than can be said for our American cousins. They had the choice between a two almost equally deplorably unfit candidates. Voting became a bit like Russian roulette with six bullets in the magazine. Whichever one they chose they'd get the worse possible result for at least 50% of the US population. They then chose the more unfit of the two. Still when you lose at Russian roulette who cares?

Whether left or right, politics is not the best way to get a happy life.

Keep thy heart with all diligence;
for out of it are the issues of life.
Put away from thee a froward mouth,
and perverse lips put far from thee.
Let thine eyes look right on,
and let thine eyelids look straight before thee.
Ponder the path of thy feet,
and let all thy ways be established.
Turn not to the right hand nor to the left:
remove thy foot from evil.

Regards Chris.
In Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting the message of reconciliation to us. 2 Cor. 5:19. Love covers a multitude of sins. 1 Pet.4:8b.

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rdrcofe: Jan 15, 2018, 12:59 PM
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Hi Dawn and Chris.

You will have to explain to us who live in this country how Trump's administration is "closer to treason" than our last president or LOL Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Maybe you don't realize that President Obama did several things as president that even he said he did not have the Constitutional power to do, yet he did them anyway and they were illegally put into action. DACA is one such thing.

Trump is actually left to the majority of Americans.

We will see how the next few years pan out. Did either of you bother to read the article? Must be made up of lies and fake news, huh?

You know, we have Greens, and Socialists, and Communists and Independents and Libertarians who run every election along with the Republicans and Democrats; it just depends on how one chooses to use ones vote.

You both are also aware that the Russian thingie is only coming back to bite the Clintons and the DNC, and FBI right? There was no evidence of involvement by the Trumps or by the RNC and the "Golden Showers" report was always known to be totally made up. You got that memo some time ago, right?

Are either of you aware of the illegal and/or unethical activities of the Clintons since before he was Governor? As for Presidents to be appalled by, try potty-mouthed Nixon, adulterer Roosevelt, disgusting misogynist and racist Johnson, adulterer who had Secret Service sneak his whores into the WH, Kennedy... and Bill Clinton, who thought the WH was the Playboy Mansion and sought with his wife to garner ever more power and money for their own enrichment no matter who they had to screw over or what laws they had to break.

What do you really have on President Trump? Do tell...

-Jeanne
"The Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient."
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Re: [jeanne53] Please read and sign..... In reply to
Wow, Jeanne, nothing like airing your laundry in public! ROFLOL!!! ShockedLaughMadWinkhuh?
I hope you never decide to share my sins!!! (Although I will say I have never killed anyone because they disagreed with me!) (And although I did, in my younger days, break a few laws, I was never caught... thank You, Jesus!)

I'm wondering if it is just that sinful people run for high office, or if high office offers sin to people? I still can't get over the fact that no one here talks about Monica or the plane crashes during Clinton presidency. I can't get over the fact that Hillary was even ALLOWED to run! Have you seen the movie, "The Post", on the Nixon papers? Good movie. I lived through that time, but never knew. And I am STILL in agreement with ex-sheriff Joe Arpaio who insisted that Obama was not an American citizen!!! Personally, I do not agree with Mr. Trump on posting his opinions for all the world to see, but compared to other presidents, his sins seem extremely small. Just my opinion.
Blessings ~ Sarah
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OH MY....non are blinder than those who refuse to see....ex-sheriff Joe Arpaio is an evil man & I do agree all the presidents had faults, some moreso than others, but none were as ignorant worldwide as Trump....to even be upholding his views is pitiful,....i will remain thankful i don't live in the USA and retire from this useless thread, this is why im no longer a part of PRAIZE....im so sick of the racist corruption that is being portrayed as good ....how anyone, especially Christians can condone and accept is beyond my comprehension....
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WOW! I don't know what I said that upset you. I never EVER said I agreed with Trump on ANYTHING! In fact the ONLY thing I said about him is that he shouldn't post his thoughts!
The only one that has been negative is you, and I agree... feeling negatively as you do, you probably shouldn't be posting here on Praize. Praize is a place where people are allowed to post their thoughts. You certainly have posted yours, and no one has really even disagreed with you.

Perhaps you should move here to the US so you can vote your opinions.
Blessings ~ Sarah
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Hi Sarah.

Now, Sarah, you would tell me that we are each and everyone of us sinners, but that God uses us to His own purposes...correct?

If Christians believe that God is in control and all is going according to His plan, then they support President Trump's administration, despite their misgivings about his tweets and inability to keep quiet at times...or ever.

Is God in charge or not? Was Donald Trump elected by about half of our fellow citizens who voted or not?

What are these "sins" and unforgivable traits of Trump? List them with proof that he should be charged with malfeasance in office and let him be censured by Congress.

There has been nothing done that warrants impeachment, unlike his predecessors. There has not to my knowledge been anything done to warrant censuring, either.

Sarah, I am only airing the dirty laundry of those in high office who were dully elected in our country. So far, Trump pales in comparison to what has gone before.

When anyone suggests differently about President Trump, and claim they have no idea how anyone could have voted for and/or supports his administration, they are suggesting that about half the country who voted for him and the many more who now support him are either stupid or naive or evil.

The article I offered is just one of which writes of alternative viewpoints to his administration and his character.

As I wrote, we shall see what comes along down the road and how his term ends. As it stands now, I a former Never-Trumper, will vote for him.

-Jeanne
"The Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient."
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Hi Dawn.

You posted a link for a petition and asked it to be read and signed. A petition about a president that is not yours.

The petitions cites a number of unproven contentions about Trump and you say that you believe each one.

<<1 demonization of immigrants and minorities;
2 reckless nuclear war rhetoric;
3 loosening of environmental protection;
4 belittling and abuse of women;
5 disrespect of indigenous people;
6 inequalities between rich and poor; and
7 dishonesty and lying.>>

When, what and where did this occur? Is there proof? Whose opinion is this? How does Trump stack up to previous presidents? Why would anyone sign a petition that offered none of the above?

When offered a disagreeing viewpoint, you contend that this is a worthless thread.

Why do you think our president is more ignorant than any other elected leader in the Western World? What views do you think he upholds that are pitiful?

What racist corruption that is being portrayed as good? Who is condoning racist corruption on Praize?

Again, it is upsetting that our friends who are from other countries think so poorly of us...or half of us.

-Jeanne
"The Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient."
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Yes, many of us think very poorly of the politics of the USA....petitions to not allow Trump in our country even....

I dont watch Fox news, but what our news and British news reports is basically what is in the above petition....treason with Russia, dishonesty in general, KKK/Nazi leanings, uncaring of the environment, playing games with North Korea, uncaring of the poor and refugees, wall building, belittling women.....the list goes on....adultery and bad language is the least of it .....

I become upset that PRAIZE seems to support Trump politics in general and overlooks so much....to me this is not Christian in any way.....

I guess most American Pentecostals are in favour of Trump too (I am not Pentecostal, its the fact that so many American evangelicals support Trump politics that just appalls me) ... I find this all very concerning and extremely upsetting.... there is really nothing more to say Frown Mad
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mrsmac: Hi.

I become upset that PRAIZE seems to support Trump politics in general and overlooks so much....to me this is not Christian in any way.....

I agree but say what you like, the fact remains that certain things HAVE improved under Trump. There has been a positive upturn in the US economy. Whether this is because of what initiatives Trump has managed to get through Congress, or because he spends so much time on the golf course that he has been too busy enjoying himself to screw around with the economy, remains to be seen.

I am still waiting to see how he is going to get the Mexicans to pay for the wall.

My guess is that he will return to his previous methods of getting things done at no cost to himself.

(1) Borrow the money from Mexican Banks.
(2) Employ Mexican construction companies using Mexican workers, Chinese steel and Mexican concrete.
(3) Default on the debts and go bankrupt.

Problem solved. He's done it before on hotels and casinos, why not follow a tried and tested strategy? Laugh
In Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting the message of reconciliation to us. 2 Cor. 5:19. Love covers a multitude of sins. 1 Pet.4:8b.
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Hi from across the pond....from what i read, the economy isnt doing that well, closures etc happening frequently....only the rich are getting richer is what im seeing and hearing, the poor are suffering more ....and any upswing may be the fruit of Obama still....or yes, because others are running the show while Trump tweets or plays golf...LOL

An American friend who does not agree with Trump, (and there are more than we think, LOL) had this written on her FB today.....

" I'm still trying to figure out which Christian ideals is he standing for? Can someone show me the scripture that says followers of Christ should help the rich, close our borders and our hearts to the weak and defenseless and destroy God's creation so we can strip out a few more ounces of oil? The Christian Right are NOT CHRISTIANS!! And those of you who think you can deny the TRUTH of the gospels are going to be sadly disappointed. If they don't turn back to the LOVE and SERVICE of Christ. They will find themselves in the goat herd. Me, I do my best to live under the Love of Christ because I know the law ends in death."

I basically agree with her....more info is coming in all the time regarding his dishonest ways and his deals with Russia etc....how people can condon such is beyond me...and the idea of him ushering in the endtimes, and that is why some so called Christians like him, is also beyond me, because if they have so much faith, why dont they leave that up to God instead of trying to do it for Him...?????

People need to listen to more than Fox news...and it is not all fake news, no matter what Trump says....and he cant continue to blame it all on Obama and Hilary....that is ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous....

Will Trump get an invite to the wedding?????? LOL
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mrsmac: Hi.

The Christian Right are NOT CHRISTIANS!! And those of you who think you can deny the TRUTH of the gospels are going to be sadly disappointed. If they don't turn back to the LOVE and SERVICE of Christ. They will find themselves in the goat herd. Me, I do my best to live under the Love of Christ because I know the law ends in death."

Actually the 'Christian Right' is an illogical oxymoron. Christ made it perfectly clear that His Kingdom was 'Not of This World', but the so called 'Christian Right' are political animals, who see politics as the way to achieve their 'Kingdom' ends. 'Christian Left' is also an oxymoron though, with more 'allegiance' to Marks, Lenin or Mao Tse Dung, than to Jesus Christ.

It is a fact of scripture that even in the Church of only DAYS after Pentecost there were 'Christians' that would have failed to get a 'Well done good and Faithful Servant' from Christ. They would more likely have got an 'I never knew you, get out of my sight' instead.

The Church ever since has been a polluted grain field of a very mixed 'harvest'. Fortunately it will not fall to US to do the sorting, we are not fit for the task. The ovens are waiting for those who failed to serve according to His Teaching, and that will include those who supported non Kingdom methods over the methods He instructed 'good and faithful' disciples to use.

Regards Chris.
In Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting the message of reconciliation to us. 2 Cor. 5:19. Love covers a multitude of sins. 1 Pet.4:8b.

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rdrcofe: Jan 19, 2018, 12:43 PM
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I don't watch Fox News either. But it is not just he politics of the US that you disdain. It is the people who voted for and/or support Trump that you choose to disdain.

There was no collusion with Russia from the Trump camp or from the RNC. There was no treason with Russia. As far as "dishonesty in general" there is none there. There is ever-present political dishonesty and business dishonesty, but Trump is not alone in either of these.

There are no KKK/Nazi leanings and no evidence that Trump has ever been a racist or acts as a racist in the oval office.

Trumps actions on the Paris Accords were spot on. It is a joke by any measure. Removing the US from them was absolutely the right thing to do, whether or not one believes that human activity is causing climate change.

The EPA was used by Obama to destroy our economy. Why? The EPA was used to punish states. Why? Both of these are Unconstitutional actions by Obama or any other president. The EPA under Obama ignored its actual tasks and under Trump's choice of director, Scott Pruitt, it is returning to its legal and original roots and those employees that were true to that task are grateful.

North Korea has been appeased by previous presidents to the point where the world is threatened by that fat snot, whose people believe is God. That time is over. What will happen is anybody's guess, but what would have happened had Trump decided not to check the crazy boy was looking to be certain. Most are hoping that he is not so crazy that he doesn't realize he is doomed if he doesn't stand down. China needs to smack him down for good and rid us all of the NK threat and free those people, if only to Chinese rule.

The Iran nuclear deal was the worst in history and what Obama did the last year of his presidency to aid Iran (Why?) is just now coming to light. You speak of treason...there it is.

Republicans traditionally truly care about the poor in our county and others. Leftist Democrats do not, but they say they do.

The tide is up and boats are rising and the poor, black, latino and all are rising with it. Companies are coming home and bringing their tax dollars with them, giving employees bonuses, growing, hiring more...all due to the tax bill even before it actually has effect as a new tax bill.

Trump from the beginning, has sought to find a Constitutionally legal way to help those here illegally who are benefiting the nation...DACA and others. DACA was Unconstitutional and Obama not only knew it but repeatedly stated it to the public.

We have every right to vet and limit our immigrants, just as every other nation, including Canada does.

Trump grew up on an era when women said they did not need protection from men and they wanted to be assumed to be just as sexually promiscuous and aggressive as men. To do otherwise was to insult them as adults. Adult women knew the atmosphere and they played the game. I fault Trump for nothing in his past behavior. He must obviously change his attitude, but adultery? LaughLaugh

The Hollywood Hos are hypocrites. They belittle those who have truly been sexually assaulted. Shame on any of them who played the game and reaped the rewards and now cry and moan about their condition.

Yes...build the wall. We want a wall and we want it before any agreement is made about illegal immigrants here or coming here. The democrats signed a bill in the 1980s that a wall would be built if Reagan granted amnesty to those illegals already here. They lied.

What do you overlook in your politics and in your little Socialist boy? Yes, that is snarky, cuz that is how we feel toward your politics.

I am an atheist who was a Never-Trumper. I support Trump. Religion has absolutely nothing to do with it.

-Jeanne
"The Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient."
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yes, so very thankful we do not have to do the sorting....Smile
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Jeanne we are not ever going to agree regarding this....its useless even attempting to.....

I feel there is definite treason with Russia and racism, religion in the worst meaning of the word, played a big part in Trump being president....

our "little socialist boy" is far from perfect, i actually didnt vote for him, but hes better than what we had before...(the best we have is Elizabeth from the Green Party...brilliant lady)...and Justin is very bright, as was his Daddy....but time will tell....

your debating skills are much better than mine, for now, all i can say is to agree to disagree....
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Hi Dawn

You FEEL there is "definite treason with Russia" when there has been no evidence from the beginning that there was or is? You just "feel" that there is? How does that work exactly?

The only evidence concerning Russia so far that smacks of collusion or possible treason or illegal action is on the part of the DNC, the FBI, the Clintons and Barrack Obama. What are you reading or listening to that hasn't explained this?

Tell me about the "racism" bit. Do you mean that racists voters just hated that a half-black man got voted in as president or that Trump is a racist or that half of the voters wanted a president who would get rid of blacks and latinos and other minorities? Or do you mean that half of the voters felt we should not be allowing illegals to continue to live here or that we should not allow immigrants in who come from any of the nations placed on the "terrorist threat" list that Obama used?

What do you mean by racism in regards to America? Do you actually believe "hands up, don't shoot" and other fairy tales promoted by the Leftists and Black Lives Matters and others of that ilk?

Trump has done more for black citizens than any president since Reagan. Obama certainly never did much for them except to tell them that they could not do anything for themselves and that the police were stupid and out to get them and that they must accept the "new normal" and then he gave them phones and got more of them on food stamps than ever before and ruined their healthcare costs along with everyone's and incited them to riot.

Try this article for a viewpoint from a Never Trump magazine, "National Review":

https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2018-02-05-0000/donald-trump-accomplishments-since-in-office-impressive

I just don't get how people can continue to "need to believe" what is proved wrong about our current president, yet will refuse to accept anything negative about their adored Leftists, such as Obama and Clinton.

Amazing...

-Jeanne
"The Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient."