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Re: [jamesgodson] Sin Imputed (We Are Born Sinners)
jamesgodson: Hi

Can 'born sinners', in your opinion, be "Holy", before hearing, understanding and living 'The Gospel'?
What does scripture say concerning the infants of a believer?

"For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy." 1 Cor.7:14.

If you say "No they can't" you need to explain to me what you think this Apostolic statement means. I take it for what it says. The children of a believer are 'Holy', the children of unbelieving couples are 'unclean'.

Do you see a different possible interpretation?

Does 2 Corinthians 5:17-21 (previously quoted) suggest that by God reconciling all the sins ever committed that all humans will be in heaven and that only the devil & his demons will be in hell?

All sins are no longer held against the world, because God is reconciled with sinners, but not all sinners are yet reconciled with God, that means they are still holding God to account, which is foolhardy in the extreme, considering who and what God is.

God has entrusted 'the message of reconciliation' to us who have, out of gratitude reconciled ourselves with God. "So we are ambassadors for Christ, since God is making his appeal through us"; we therefore entreat 'sinners', like ourselves, on behalf of Christ, to "be reconciled to God". As we have done, since we believe God is reconciled to us, through the atonement of Christ. 2 Cor.5:19-21.

That then leads to the next question in Romans 8:29 - "For whom He fore knew He did also predestinate to be conformed into the image of his Son" - has He chosen/elected some or all to become joint heirs with Jesus?

" . . we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly while we wait for adoption, the redemption of our bodies. For in hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what is seen? But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience.

Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we ought, but that very Spirit intercedes with sighs too deep for words. And God, who searches the heart, knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

We know that all things work together for good for those who love God, who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn within a large family. And those whom he predestined he also called; and those whom he called he also justified; and those whom he justified he also glorified." Rom.8:23-30.


There a number of things worth noting in the passage you cited in your second question, two of which are these.

(1) Nobody knows if they have been chosen of God to be 'saved'. More importantly, and even more so, nobody knows whether someone else is 'saved'. It is God who chooses, God who foreknows, God who predestines, God who calls, God who justifies, God who glorifies. He did not consult us, does not consult us and will not consult us. And God does not inform us of the extent or number of those He has decided to 'save', except to say God wants a LARGE family along with His firstborn.

(2) The only reason anyone is 'saved', was because God had a purpose for them. We are called "according to His purpose".

If God's purpose were to 'save' the entire world, who are we to argue with Him about it?
If God's purpose were to 'save' only some of it, who are we to argue with Him about it?
If God's purpose were to 'save' none of the world, we would already all know about it.

"And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world." Jn.12:47.

"The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." Jn.1:29.
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