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Re: [jamesgodson] IS PRAYER A REAL CONVERSATION WITH THE FATHER OF ALL?
jamesgodson: Hi

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. Jn.1:29.

Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples; And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God! Jn.1:35-36.

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

As usual, the antiquated English of The KJV is difficult to understand for 21st century Americans and English speakers alike.

From now on, therefore, we regard no one from a human point of view; even though we once knew Christ from a human point of view, we know him no longer in that way. (NRSV)

The comparison is how Christ is understood by:
(1) The World, (as we were before we heard and believed the message that "God is no longer holding their sins against them, i.e the world"), and:

(2) Disciples, who now appreciate that wonderful fact, have believed it and responded appropriately.

So if anyone is in Christ, there is a new creation: everything old has passed away; see, everything has become new!

Everything about sin, righteousness and judgment is viewed entirely differently by 'Disciples' than it was by 'worldlings'. When we understand what God has done, through Christ, for us i.e the world.

All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation;

We have done nothing at this point apart from being translated from 'the world' to the status of Discipleship, i.e. 'learner of God's grace'.

that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting the message of reconciliation to us.

This is not about Disciples though, it is about 'the world' and therefore 'worldlings' who cannot understand God's Grace because they are blinded and kept in ignorance of it, by The Devil.

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 2 Cor.4:3-4.

Since when has it been right to condemn 'lost' people and blame them for being 'lost'? This is not a passage declaring who will be burned in Hell. It is describing what we were like when still 'worldlings' before we became Disciples and everything about God, sin, righteousness, judgment etc. suddenly looked 'different' to us.

The world no longer has their sins held against them by God, but they are lost and blinded to that fact because they are enthralled by Satan, but not because they are necessarily his willing servants to be 'Judged' alongside him, because he is already judged. Jn.16:8-10.

And when he [The Holy Spirit] comes, he will prove the world wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: about sin, because they do not believe in me; about righteousness, because I am going to the Father and you will see me no longer; about judgment, because the ruler of this world has been condemned.

And here is the message of reconciliation that we deliver to 'the world':

"We entreat you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God, who no longer is holding your sins against you. Accept God's initiative and get to know Him better."

So we are ambassadors for Christ, since God is making his appeal through us; we entreat you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

No body KNOWS exactly in what ways we have sinned against God and our neighbour. We will NEVER fully know what we need to 'confess' to God, i.e. the fullest extent of what God could hold against us. The greatest of our sins 'that God is refusing to hold against us' is rejecting out of hand, His offer of reconciliation, bought for us while we were still sinning, by the blood of His Only Son. Disciples, like you and me, were being forgiven that DAILY until we finally 'got the message'.

Reconciliation is a wonderfully healing experience. Unfortunately 'worldlings' are blinded to that too, along with all the other life enhancing gifts God bestows on the enlightened.

But they can't reject God's decision 'To no longer hold their sins against them', because THEY can do absolutely NOTHING about that. It is entirely a decision God has already made, and is then patiently awaiting their enlightened response.

We don't know enough about God's eventual solution to the problem of those whose 'Gods Grace Blindness' seems permanent in this life to be able to speculate with any certainty. It is simply not our job to inquire. It is our job merely to convey the message that 'God no longer holds their sins against them', the world that is.

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In Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting the message of reconciliation to us. 2 Cor. 5:19. Love covers a multitude of sins. 1 Pet.4:8b.

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rdrcofe: May 19, 2018, 10:01 AM

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