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Re: [praizeop2] What does it mean to be Saved?
Sarah :

Excuse me if I offer some personal opinion here, opinion that I can’t necessarily back up with chapter and verse from scripture.

Christine, my wife and yourself have something in common. She too lost her daddy when she was only 4 years old. She too has always had, what can only termed ‘a relationship’, with God for as long as she can remember, and she too had, in later life, a profound experience of the presence of God. In her case it happened during a critically difficult confinement, in which the life of both baby and mother hung in the balance. The outcome fortunately was 'mother and baby doing fine'. She is now a priest in the Anglican Church and a bit of a Christian ‘mystic’.

From early childhood she used to talk to God assuming Him to be easily within earshot, very close. She has always ‘sensed’ that she is being ‘cared for’ and the ‘birth’ incident, (which in itself was a strange miraculous affair), was more of a confirmation of God’s continued care for her than a sudden change in moral direction. More like the awakening again of a quiet confidence in God’s love for her.

Perhaps we all start life ‘close to God’ and some get drawn away more than others by various means.

In the parable of the sower, Jesus cited some things which can draw us away from intimacy with God.
1. Those who have understanding ‘stolen’ from them. This might be through lack of nurture.
2. Those who give in to ‘self’ and turn inwards in their inner life instead of generously looking outwards to others,
as God does.
3. Those who are unfortunate enough for trouble and cares of this world to make them bitter, greedy, ruthless or vengeful.

Although the Parable of the sower is actually about the way different people respond to ‘The Gospel’ specifically, it must also be true of anyone who experiences a gradual spiritual separation from God, until they reach a state where they would think they have no ‘relationship’ whatever with their maker.

In my own experience it was not until I was in my mid twenties that I had what is termed ‘a conversion experience’ and later a ‘baptism in the Holy Spirit’ experience. Previously I knew quite a lot about God but did not actually know God very well. However as I have said in my profile, I began to know God in mid life but God knew me before I was even born.

The important thing for us all to remember is that the whole purpose of our life here on earth is to be ‘fruit bearingMatt. 13:23. No fruit means the Grace of God in us has been in vain. By that I mean that from God’s point of view we might as well have never been here, or even worse, it might have been better if we had never been here.

Being called to account in that way would be a pretty scary form of judgment in my view. To be faced by a profoundly disappointed but loving God is likely to be a more humbling experience for the wicked and selfish, than would be stubbornly facing an angry and vengeful one.

In the case of ‘believers’ we don’t need to be concerned however, if we have at some time in our life agreed to allow God the initiative in guiding and controlling our life choices. If we act out of love, it is God who acts through us. Our deeds are His deeds. We demand no credit for them, neither is there any condemnation for us if they were wrought in God. John 3:21

If you asked them, would they say that they have always known Him?

Probably not. In fact they may have been experiencing what it might be like to be in a living 'hell' from a very early age. Bad environment, bad parenting, unfortunate circumstances, few real life 'choices'. All these things can be described as 'Thorns and thistles which can choke the life out of us'. Thank God for those evangelists who 'broadcast' the seed of 'The Good News'. They indeed have 'beautiful feet'.

It's never too late to realize that a change of heart is necessary, and that God performs the most amazing 'heart surgery'. He can replace a 'stone heart' with one that can love. Ezek 36:26-27

Regards Chris.
In Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting the message of reconciliation to us. 2 Cor. 5:19. Love covers a multitude of sins. 1 Pet.4:8b.

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