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Re: [kennyj] What does it mean to be Saved?
kennyj :

because Jesus died for everyone, everybody is saved;

Right so far, yes.

Christian or not.

Still correct as far as you have gone. God didn't care what religion people were, had been or were going to be, when He was in Christ on the Cross. "God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself"

The only difference is the Christian accepts the gift of salvation and the atheists and people of other religions do not.

Nearly got it but not quite Kenny.

Anyone, 'Christian' or not who behaves according to the inner conviction that God loves him or her and decides by virtue of that belief to extend the same principle to all others no matter what race, class or creed, clearly has received 'The Grace of God' and not in vain. - [stop and think about that] - God is love and those who love know God. They are in-deed a 'Christian'. Those who don't love do not know God.

Conversely anyone who demonstrates by their outward conduct, an inner conviction that God is vengefully disposed toward them and the rest of the human race, or can be disregarded by virtue of His non-existence, and consequently treats others with a similar degree of contempt or disdain, has either knowingly rejected God's Grace or is still ignorant of God's Grace.

In either event they are in a situation of receiving God's gracious act in vain. God's Grace has had no effect upon their life other than what is theologically termed 'prevenient grace', that is, righteous acts performed in ignorance of God's amazing grace but nonetheless of no merit concerning salvation other than to be their God given duty anyway.

Such 'good deeds' by the unregenerate are probably offset by some deeds of wickedness anyway, until such time as they hear and respond to 'The Gospel of Reconciliation'. At that point in time, (knowing of God's grace toward them, they begin to extend God's grace to others, which means they no longer receive it in vain. I.e. God's grace becomes 'effective' in their lives through their understanding of the generous nature of God, because they now know God no longer holds their sins against them.

Do I understand you correctly?

Almost, except in the detail that ALL have been ' saved ' by God no matter their labels or 'beliefs'.

BUT anyone (including Christians), who do not show forth the grace of God to others, out of gratitude for a full and free pardon for their sin, have received the Grace of God in vain.

Suppose unbeknown to you, having been forcefully abducted at a very early age from your family home and falsely imprisoned, your father was fabulously wealthy and you stood to inherit an enormous estate by virtue of your birth and parenthood.

Your inheritance stands ready for you to rightfully claim it. Regardless of whether you actually claim it or not, it remains yours. You didn't work for it, it has been yours all along since birth. Any responsibility or consequences ensuing from your not claiming it, once you have been informed of your status, parent's identity, and it's existence, is yours and yours alone.

I'm sure you must know what I mean.

Regards Chris.
In Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting the message of reconciliation to us. 2 Cor. 5:19. Love covers a multitude of sins. 1 Pet.4:8b.

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