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Re: [MaryPankratz] Once saved...
My wife was a "lifer" Southern Baptist until age 30 when she shocked her entirely S.B. family by our departure from that organization, both of us requesting to have our names removed from the membership roll. I had almost completed SBC seminary requirements towards a possible pastoral career, but decided I couldn't support doctrines like the one you brought up. We went another direction, non-denominational, then AOG, then back to non-denominational again over failure to support some doctrines that eventually went through the fire, but too late for me.

It is true there is nothing, no power on earth or anywhere in the universe that can take you away from the saving hands of your Savior and Lord Jesus. Indeed, salvation is a gift from God, and you can forever count on God saving you from the wrath to come, then on into eternity with Him. You will find that here:
Romans 8:[29] For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. [30] Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. [31] What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? [32] He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? [33] Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. [34] Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. [35] Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? [36] As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. [37] Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. [38] For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, [39] Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Beware any Calvinist slant on that. God knew before even making Adam what His salvation plan had to be, calls all people to face it, and of course being God always knew who would accept His plan, and who would reject it. God would be unjust to pick some to be saved and give those an advantage like "a deal you can't possibly turn away". God will demonstrate His justness by proving each person made their own choice upon hearing the gospel preached.

Let's look at Romans again, knowing there were no chapters and verse numbers in the original manuscript, those added later for convenience. We love chapter 8. But many dislike chapter 9, which is a continuation of 8. Paul's heart suddenly sinks, realizing his brethren the Jews were losing their status, the non-Jews (gentiles) being saved instead. The Jews had sought righteousness through works of the law instead of faith. The gentiles didn't have the burden of the law, learning of faith only, and they accepted it. Romans 9:[30] What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. [31] But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. [32] Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Many gentiles have fallen into the same trap the Jews did, taking a promise of salvation that has some work involved besides faith, and often involving a lessening on the role of Jesus. If your salvation in any way was dependent upon a religious rite, reciting some promise to men, being "covered" by some human priest (Hebrews 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.), purchasing salvation rights back for yourself or a dead person, or any other system of works, then that is a corrupted arrangement, voided before God. Because many people accept a salvation plan with an extra step or two not commanded in the New Testament scriptures, they have yet to possess biblical salvation, and have nothing to lose yet, except of course to continue being lost.

But for those who do hear the gospel preached/taught (or read it), believing it, believing upon Jesus more than just accepting that He existed and was "good", and confessing Jesus before neighbors by word and submission to water baptism with repentance from sin, those are saved upon doing that, and will be saved also from the wrath coming to this world.

The scriptures warn of dire results of "making shipwreck" of your faith, departing from it. No ship could wreck that doesn't sail. We also have stern warning against forsaking Christ before men, as Jesus will not confess your name before the Father. Matthew 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

The book of Hebrews makes it clear the danger is for those considered advanced in the Christian way according to Hebrews 6:[4] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, [5] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, [6] If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Relatively few people on earth reach that level, and far fewer with that experience entertain abandonment of Christ, but some do, attested to by Judas Iscariot and some folks Paul wrote about. I've witnessed it, men who could master the Bible, spoke in tongues, partook of miracles, preached the gospel for hearers to be saved, taught the Bible.....but willingly and deliberately reverting back to their former corruption of drugs, perversion, and total abandonment of the faith right into death without repentance. It is a most terrible thing to witness.

It is all based on our choices. When the Father calls us to respond to the gospel, that is the day of salvation. There is no guarantee of one more chance to do that on God's timing. It is His timing, our decision. Decide and don't go back on that decision for Christ. If you hold on through your daily decision, nothing can take you away from God. Better yet, be a disciple that follows Jesus daily like the apostles did, rising each morning to share His journey. If your sights are always on Jesus, He will lead you safely.
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Be fishers of men.....DG

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dovegiven: Mar 29, 2012, 12:40 PM

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